Comments Thread For: Wilder: Once I Beat Fury, Fans Must Pressure Joshua To Fight Me

[kafkod]

And after he fought somebody else first, he refused to fight his mando, so he was stripped. He had 90 days to face his mando per the terms of his exception. He didn't live up to that.
Only reason GGG was stripped without a purse bid is because he told the IBF he wasn't going to take the fight, so there was no reason for a purse bid.

It was a much more complicated situation than that, as I'm sure you know, due to the original date for GGG's rematch with Canelo being cancelled.

GGG wanted to fight Derevyenchenko after a rescheduled fight with Canelo.

The IBF said "no" and gave him 90 days to fight his mando. When Loeffler told them he intended to carry on negotiating with Canelo instead of moving on to Deryevenchenko, the IBF stripped GGG immediately.

They did not wait for the deadline to expire or order a purse bid. There was no legal requirement for them to do that and there would have been no legal requirement for the WBA to order a purse bid for AJ/Povetkin if Hearn hadn't complied with their order to confirm the date for the fight within 24 hours.

All the terms for AJ/Povetkin - purse split, money, venue, date - had already been agreed by both sides, in the event of AJ/Wilder not being signed.

The only question was whether Hearn would confirm that the fight was going to happen next, on the agreed date.

[kafkod]

The four corners of the contract are what's binding. Hearn said he was trying to make the fight next, but promised nothing. Said to give him a few days for a definite date. Few days went by and he said April. Had Wilder been dumb enough to sign without any assurances the fight was next, that's his problem.

LMFAO at how you conveniently "forgot" to mention what happened during the few days that went by before Hearn said April!!!

[kafkod]

Don't know what you guys are still arguing about.
Finkel already admitted he didn't respond in a timely manner when he said he would’ve met the deadline had he been given one.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788290

The WBA was waiting, Ryabinsky was waiting, Povetkin was waiting.
Wilder team didn't give a fck.

But this WBC WBA IBF poster had to do damage control and brainwash everybody with his Hearn is a liar narrative.
I knew it when in his earlier posts he was introducing this made up crap that Wilder's team really wanted AJ asap before he gets more experienced and dangerous just to add weight to his lies in advanced.

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Yes .. and the idiot has actually bragged about being payed to do it!

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GGG wanted to fight Derevyenchenko after a rescheduled fight with Canelo.

no no no no no. he wanted to fight vanes, then fight canelo, then fight his mando. they weren't going to delay it that many times. he was allowed to fight vanes on the 90 day condition. they didn't hold a purse bid because GGG told them he wasn't going to fight his mando within 90 days.

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LMFAO at how you conveniently "forgot" to mention what happened during the few days that went by before Hearn said April!!!

convenient that during the few days hearn was stalling, the WBA said exactly what he wanted them to say.

[P to the J]

Lots of truth in what you say. People may go into politics with great motives but once the guys with the money and real power (behind the scene guys) get to them they change. The real problem is people don't love their fellow humans.

WORD.
An even real-er problem is that I can’t leave a reply on this website that’s less than 10 characters long.

[P to the J]

It's not an opinion that AJ couldn't be stripped unless they held a purse bid and he refused to go through with the fight. It's not an opinion that a week later the Povetkin fight hadn't been signed yet and AJ wasn't stripped, proving Hearn was lying that AJ would be stripped if he didn't sign to fight Povetkin within 24 hours.




What your missing is that the Wilder/Fury contract stipulates that the fight will take place in November or December with no interim fights. Which is the same offer Wilder made AJ in the term sheet for the 50 million deal. What months the fight could be in, and that there couldn't be any interim fights.

The contract Hearn sent Wilder didn't list any months at all, and didn't contain any language preventing AJ from taking interim fights. That's the difference.

You make a great case. Best analysis of the scenario than I’ve seen so far.

[kafkod]

no no no no no. he wanted to fight vanes, then fight canelo, then fight his mando. they weren't going to delay it that many times. he was allowed to fight vanes on the 90 day condition. they didn't hold a purse bid because GGG told them he wasn't going to fight his mando within 90 days.

Correct. GGG did not refuse outright to fight his mando ... he asked for it to be delayed till after the rematch with Canelo, which is exactly what I told you.

He was stripped - without any purse bid being called - for refusing to comply with the IBF ruling on that request.

Likewise, AJ would have been stripped - without any purse bid being called - if he had refused to comply with the WBA ruling on his request for more delays in finalising his mando with Povetkin.

I repeat ... all the terms for AJ/Povetkin - purse split, money, venue, date - had already been agreed by both sides, in the event of AJ/Wilder not being signed.

The only question was whether or not Eddie Hearn would comply with the WBA ruling and confirm that the fight was going to happen next, on the agreed date.

[kafkod]

convenient that during the few days hearn was stalling, the WBA said exactly what he wanted them to say.

No doubt .. and it was also very convenient for Wilder, as he obviously had no intention of backing up what he said about accepting the offer to fight AJ, in the UK, for a $15million flat fee.

He was never going to sign that contract. Not for this year, next year, or any other damned year.

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Correct. GGG did not refuse outright to fight his mando ... he asked for it to be delayed till after the rematch with Canelo, which is exactly what I told you.

But you left out that he asked for it to be delayed until AFTER Vanes *and* AFTER Canelo. Absolutely ludicrous. He was stripped without a purse bid because he told the IBF he wasn't going to do the fight next, so there was no reason for a purse bid. So your entire position makes no sense.