Who is the lineal HW champion?

[famicommander]

when was Pacquiao ever the lineal welterweight champ ?

look, this is just a silly argument to me

Fury.....
1) held all 4 recognized titles
2) was never beaten
3) only retired in the minds of people who wanted him gone lol
4) will be in action this month

he is not one of the two best heavyweights on the planet, and may not even be the 3rd best heavyweight on the planet..... proving that lineage is highly overrated

my bottom line on this is..... really, who cares ?

NOBODY else could possibly lay claim to being undisputed, or lineal..... Wilder/Joshua need to fight in order to determine that

who cares what Fury is until he fights/beats one of them ?

Pacquiao won the lineal title by beating Timothy Bradley after Floyd Mayweather retired. He then vacated it by retiring after he beat Jessie Vargas. He returned and fought Horn, but because Pacquiao had previously retired he was not recognized as the lineal champion, and nor was Horn when he got the decision. Nor was Floyd Mayweather still recognized as the lineal champion when he came back to fight McGregor.

If you retire or leave the weight class for an extended period of time, you're not the lineal champion anymore. The championship becomes vacant and can only be awarded when a consensus #1 versus #2 fight happens.

[zok310]

The turmoil Fury caused in the division with the LT makes it hard to say who holds the title. If you can argue that the title went back to Wlad during Fury's absence then you can also argue that the title is now AJ's title.....But in reality its vacant

[Accolade]

The turmoil Fury caused in the division with the LT makes it hard to say who holds the title.

No it doesn't.

If you can argue that the title went back to Wlad

You can't.

you can also argue that the title is now AJ's title

No, you can't.

.....But in reality its vacant

Wrong.

[famicommander]

Did Floyd every lose his lineage during his retirements?

Yes.

He vacated the lineal title after he beat Hatton and retired. He was not recognized as the lineal champion when he fought Marquez and did not get it back until he beat Shane Mosley.

Then he vacated it again after he beat Berto and retired. He was not recognized as the lineal champion when he fought McGregor.

[Sid-Knee]

No one holds it, it's vacant.

[CinderelliMan]

Yes.

He vacated the lineal title after he beat Hatton and retired. He was not recognized as the lineal champion when he fought Marquez and did not get it back until he beat Shane Mosley.

Then he vacated it again after he beat Berto and retired. He was not recognized as the lineal champion when he fought McGregor.

Thanks for the information repped

[boliodogs]

The winner of Wilder vs. Joshua

The title is currently vacant

I agree with this or Fury vs AJ if Fury beats Wilder. Fury was indeed the lineal champion but I think if you don't defend the lineal title for years then you lose it. Fury is just a contender to me now. The lineal title is vacant until someone proves he deserves it in the ring. AJ is the closest to deserving it and Wilder is the 2nd closest but neither are there yet.

[Pigeons]

It's Tyson Fury unless you consider his social media retirements as legitimate. In that case, it's vacant. Most pundits do not consider his social media retirements as real, so he's still the lineal champion. With that said, CBZ, TBRB, and the RING no longer recognize him for different reasons.

[boliodogs]

The turmoil Fury caused in the division with the LT makes it hard to say who holds the title. If you can argue that the title went back to Wlad during Fury's absence then you can also argue that the title is now AJ's title.....But in reality its vacant

I don't see how you could logically argue the lineal title goes back to Wlad in Fury's absence. Wlad lost. End of story. The only way Wlad gets the lineal title back is to beat Fury in a rematch. You can't just give the title to AJ for beating a Wlad Fury already beat either. Wlad had no title of any kind, lineal or otherwise when AJ beat him. It was a good AJ win and nothing more. As you say, in reality the lineal title is vacant.

[davefromvancouv]

Pretty straightforward: until Fury retires or gets beaten, Fury is the man who beat the last lineal champion, Wladimir Klitschko. When Lennox Lewis retired, the lineal title was vacant until Klitschko beat the consensus #2, Ruslan Chagaev. Even the undisputed winner of Wilder-Joshua would not be lineal until they beat Fury...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lineal_boxing_world_champions