Do you guys understand AJ is the A side?

[N/A]

You're at the level of fanboy that's simply too much to discuss with.

You couldn't counter a single thing I said, which forced you to resort to personal attacks. Very easy to call me names. Much harder to refute my argument logically.

[The Big Dunn]

Same thing Canelo was doing to ggg...a lot of the same posters that don't mind wilder having to wait where losing their **** over Canelo delaying a fight with ggg. Hope this one doesn't take 2 years.

Yup. This is NSB so we should be used to how things work.

If a fighter is popular among the boards regular posters, everything they do gets justified or ignored. Now if the same actions are taken by a fighter regular posters don't like, then its "ducking" "scared" "cheating" etc.

Just look at how people have changed their perspective of a flat fee offer in the last few months. LMFAO!!!

[The Big Dunn]

of course wilder is dangerous and you have to clueless to see he is not but joshua is more rounded in terms of technical abilty and core strength he also arguably punches as hard as wilder and certainly has more variety of how he finishes a fighter.....if wilder did pull of a shock win in the uk then he deserves big praise.
Marvellous marvin hagler was somewhat of a different ballgame to deontay wilder and the gap in class is way way different.
We have to look at the facts and staging it in a 90k sold out stadium at wembley will create a far bigger spectacle than it would in the states.
Just go back and watch AJ vs WK to see what we are talking about and the having it in the uk will be a guaranteed blockbuster.
Having the fight In america its an unknown risk if this fight takes place next.

I agree with your perspective of the 2 fighters. I also agree that there is some risk in having it in Las vegas. The thing is in Vegas the live gate will be more.

That said, a HWT unification deserves a large, hot crowd with a lot of buzz.

[LacedUp]

You couldn't counter a single thing I said, which forced you to resort to personal attacks. Very easy to call me names. Much harder to refute my argument logically.

Not really. I've 'countered' the exact same thing multiple times.

But anyone who thinks that you should negotiate after agreeing just doesn't understand business. It's as simple as that.

And then it's pointless for us to discuss.

[N/A]

But anyone who thinks that you should negotiate after agreeing just doesn't understand business.

Well what are your business qualifications? What do you do for a living? What kind of negotiations are you involved in?

How are you ever supposed to get a deal done if you don't agree in principle to different deal points until eventually all deal points have been agreed to?

[juggernaut666]

Well what are your business qualifications? What do you do for a living? What kind of negotiations are you involved in?

How are you ever supposed to get a deal done if you don't agree in principle to different deal points until eventually all deal points have been agreed to?

What is Larry Hazards business qualifications ?

You know who that is right ?

An actual known contributor of boxing unlike yourself who hides and makes unsubstancial claims .

How come he thinks it was a duck when Wilder didnt take the 12.5 million and even thinks Wilder will win ?


I'll tell you why . Because he knows just like ANY credible person would tell you is , he doesnt nearly make that a fight and if he didnt take that offer it means hes not confident in winning bc it then makes him over 30 Million .



See when you play the " Whats your credentials " card you yourself are put into question .


BECAUSE NO ONE IN BUSINESS AGREES TO A EMAIL OFFER WHEN THEY ARE THE ONES GENERATING THE MONEY .

NO ONE REFUSES GIVING DETAILS OR A CONTRACTS IF ONE IS HIDING SOMETHING . IF A REQUEST FOR ONE IS ASKED .


NO ONE CANCELS AND DENIES NEGOTIATION MEETINGS WHEN THE OTHER PARTY STATES THEY ARE INTERESTED BUT THEN THINKS IT WILL BE NON PRODUCTIVE AND REFUSES ONE .


NO CREDIBLE PROMOTER DOESNT LOOK AT PAPER WORK BEFORE AGREEING TO A MONEY DEAL SO NEGOTIATIONS CAN FOLLOW AND CONTRACTS DRAWN OUT OTHERWISE THEY ARE INCOMPETENT .


A CONTRACT CANT BE NEGOTIATED OR A FIGHT MADE WHEN ANOTHER FIGHTER CALLS OUT ANOTHER FIGHTER ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND MAKE THE FIGHT __________ IT HAS TO HAVE A CONTRACT THAT GIVE ALL THE DETAILS _________ YOU DONT NEGOTIATE PRIOR TO A CONTRACT BEING WRITTEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[N/A]

What is Larry Hazards business qualifications ?

You know who that is right ?

An actual known contributor of boxing unlike yourself who hides and makes unsubstancial claims .

How come he thinks it was a duck when Wilder didnt take the 12.5 million and even thinks Wilder will win ?

I know Larry very well, but negotiating fights is not his area of expertise and he doesn't pay close enough attention to modern boxing to have any idea what the reasonable purses would be for AJ vs. Wilder.

I'll tell you why . Because he knows just like ANY credible person would tell you is , he doesnt nearly make that a fight and if he didnt take that offer it means hes not confident in winning bc it then makes him over 30 Million .

Hearn's offer had a rematch clause and didn't specify the purse for the rematch. You have no idea what Wilder would have made in the second fight had he accepted Hearn's lowball offer.

See when you play the " Whats your credentials " card you yourself are put into question .

I've negotiated fights for 20 years. So when I offer thoughts on how fights are negotiated, I speak from personal opinion. You refused to tell us what you do for a living. If you're going to tell us how business works, you should tell us what you're basing your opinion on. Personal experience? Books you've read? Watching Hearn's IFL interviews? Simply making guesses? Why do you believe that you know how boxing negotiations work?

BECAUSE NO ONE IN BUSINESS AGREES TO A EMAIL OFFER WHEN THEY ARE THE ONES GENERATING THE MONEY .

That's fine. If Hearn was honest, he could say, "we're the A-side, we're not taking this fight unless we control the promotion and there's no amount of money that would change that."

The problem is that AJ publicly threw out a crazy number and said he'd sign tomorrow if they came up with the money. Well, they came up with the money. So it's forcing Hearn to make excuses.

[The plunger man]

I agree with your perspective of the 2 fighters. I also agree that there is some risk in having it in Las vegas. The thing is in Vegas the live gate will be more.

That said, a HWT unification deserves a large, hot crowd with a lot of buzz.

i think you always seem to have a wise head mr dunn and we have had many discussions in the past fella ...sometimes we disagree but alot of the time we see eye to eye.
Yeah it will be a gigger gate in vegas but i just think the days of the magical nights of vegas have some what vanished at least for the time being.
I grew up with the epic vegas showdowns and even flew over to watch a few fights when they were huge spectacles.
Things go in cycles and i just see this fight having a huge audience and crowning an undisputed champion with an electric crowd.
With vegas to make a huge gate they would have to charge big prices which in turn would turn alot of normal fight fans away from it and also put a risk in selling the tickets.
Lets see bro what happens with negotiations

[Joe Beamish]

This isn't some catch weight BS fight happening around 145 or 155. This is a legit HW title fight.

Joshua is "the A side" thanks to his fan base in the UK, but he won't stay real unless he fights Wilder.

He has to play ball.

[BreakingBox]

Joshua is where WIlder wants to be. Beggars can't be chooses. What's funny is Wilders BS PR stunt just set Joshua's minimum value at 50 mil. If I was Hearn i'd base all negotiations from now on around Joshua taking the first 50 mil.

You can spin that both ways. What we don't know, is how much Wilder would have been guaranteed. Maybe he was guaranteed 20 million, maybe 30, maybe 50. Who knows? If I was Finkel, I'd base all negotiations from now making sure that Wilder received his guaranteed minimum.

Anyways, it doesn't work like that. If Hearn's numbers are correct, the fight in the UK does 40, maybe 50 million. So, how would Joshua receive the first 50 if Hearn can't generate the kind of money that a Vegas fight would.