Do you guys understand AJ is the A side?

[juggernaut666]

You can spin that both ways. What we don't know, is how much Wilder would have been guaranteed. Maybe he was guaranteed 20 million, maybe 30, maybe 50. Who knows? If I was Finkel, I'd base all negotiations from now making sure that Wilder received his guaranteed minimum.

Anyways, it doesn't work like that. If Hearn's numbers are correct, the fight in the UK does 40, maybe 50 million. So, how would Joshua receive the first 50 if Hearn can't generate the kind of money that a Vegas fight would.

"Anyways, it doesn't work like that. If Hearn's numbers are correct, the fight in the UK does 40, maybe 50 million. So, how would Joshua receive the first 50 if Hearn can't generate the kind of money that a Vegas fight would. "


The payout for Wilder is 5/10 Million if they had to give Joshua 50. Because the fight is NOT a 70 Million dollar fight right now .

Do you think Joshua and Wilder are the only ones who get paid ? What about the undercard fighters , officials , security etc ......

Hearn is not guaranteeing 50 Million ,THEY are .


Why would Hearn have to pay Joshua if its Finkel guaranteeing him 50 Million ?


Which has to be shown anyway to prove its there !


And why would Finkel want the fight in the U.K ?


Clearly that wouldn't happen under his contract !


Why are you telling ppl thats not how it works , or how something works with no idea what your talking about ? lol


Did you at least figure out a counter offer cant keep being passed back and forth without changing it and it doesn't make the previous offer FAKE ? lol


Seriously whats your level of education ?

[BreakingBox]

"Anyways, it doesn't work like that. If Hearn's numbers are correct, the fight in the UK does 40, maybe 50 million. So, how would Joshua receive the first 50 if Hearn can't generate the kind of money that a Vegas fight would. "


The payout for Wilder is 5/10 Million if they had to give Joshua 50. Because the fight is NOT a 70 Million dollar fight right now .

Do you think Joshua and Wilder are the only ones who get paid ? What about the undercard fighters , officials , security etc ......

Hearn is not guaranteeing 50 Million ,THEY are .


Why would Hearn have to pay Joshua if its Finkel guaranteeing him 50 Million ?


Which has to be shown anyway to prove its there !


And why would Finkel want the fight in the U.K ?


Clearly that wouldn't happen under his contract !


Why are you telling ppl thats not how it works , or how something works with no idea what your talking about ? lol


Did you at least figure out a counter offer cant keep being passed back and forth without changing it and it doesn't make the previous offer FAKE ? lol


Seriously whats your level of education ?

If there was one thing that I have learned today, it would be that you take things that I say way too seriously!

[juggernaut666]

I know Larry very well, but negotiating fights is not his area of expertise and he doesn't pay close enough attention to modern boxing to have any idea what the reasonable purses would be for AJ vs. Wilder.




Hearn's offer had a rematch clause and didn't specify the purse for the rematch. You have no idea what Wilder would have made in the second fight had he accepted Hearn's lowball offer.




I've negotiated fights for 20 years. So when I offer thoughts on how fights are negotiated, I speak from personal opinion. You refused to tell us what you do for a living. If you're going to tell us how business works, you should tell us what you're basing your opinion on. Personal experience? Books you've read? Watching Hearn's IFL interviews? Simply making guesses? Why do you believe that you know how boxing negotiations work?




That's fine. If Hearn was honest, he could say, "we're the A-side, we're not taking this fight unless we control the promotion and there's no amount of money that would change that."

The problem is that AJ publicly threw out a crazy number and said he'd sign tomorrow if they came up with the money. Well, they came up with the money. So it's forcing Hearn to make excuses.

They didnt come up with anything which is why when Hearn requested paper work it was denied along with any negotiating meetings .

A link to an account is supposed to be included if funds are there to show proof the deal isnt fraudulent ,this would have been sent first to verify it not a personal Deontay Wilder personal Email B.S stalling tactic which by the way cant be made bc its not legally possible for two fighters to make an official fight without a signed contract .........you knew that right ? JUST CHECKING .

You were a big time promoter and knew all this of course right ?


Finkel NEEDED Hearn to agree so THEN he can use Joshua name to go get the money .

The trick here is Finkel then takes away Hearns promotion .

Why would he allow that when Joshua can generate 20 Million dollar fight?

The answer is he wouldn't ,and if you were an actual ANYTHING business in boxing you WOULD know this .


Heres the problem why i know your a phony and its bc EVERYTHING you state has to back pedalled and twisted .....now go take another long break ,show others this post and come back for more !



AND TRUST ME YOU AIN'T SMARTER THAN LARRY HAZARD !

YOU'RE ABOVE AVERAGE TO THE FAN WHO DOESNT KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF REGULATIONS ...........

[Boksfan]

They didnt come up with anything which is why when Hearn requested paper work it was denied along with any negotiating meetings .

A link to an account is supposed to be included if funds are there to show proof the deal isnt fraudulent ,this would have been sent first to verify it not a personal Deontay Wilder personal Email B.S stalling tactic which by the way cant be made bc its not legally possible for two fighters to make an official fight without a signed contract .........you knew that right ? JUST CHECKING .

You were a big time promoter and knew that of course right ?


Finkel NEEDED Hearn to agree so THEN he can use Joshua name to go get the money .

The trick here is Finkel then takes away Hearns promotion .

Why would he allow that when Joshua can generate 20 Million dollar fight?

The answer is he wouldn't ,and if you were an actual ANYTHING business in boxing you WOULD know this .


Heres the problem why i know your a phony and its bc EVERYTHING you state has to back pedalled and twisted .....now go take another long break ,show others this post and come back for more !



AND TRUST ME YOU AIN'T SMARTER THAN LARRY HAZARD !

YOU'RE ABOVE AVERAGE TO THE FAN WHO DOESNT KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF REGULATIONS ...........

Is this guy still telling everybody he's a promoter? How ****** he thinks people are to believe stinky pile of lies like that? Wilder fans are easy to manipulate, they believe anything I suppose.
How was Wilder offer legit if he didn't send contract and refused to meet? Simple twitter 1 minute video is all it takes to convince people he's got 50 million? Maybe he's got that money from rich uncle?

[N/A]

They didnt come up with anything which is why when Hearn requested paper work it was denied along with any negotiating meetings .

There are so many other things that need to be negotiated other than money that it would make no sense to send a contract before those things are negotiated. And it wouldn't make any sense to negotiate those other things until you know if Hearn finds the money to be acceptable or not.

Wilder's side is not willing to negotiate AJ's purse. The 50 million against 50% is the absolute highest they are willing to go. So if Hearn finds that figure unacceptable, there's nothing else to discuss. If Hearn finds that figure acceptable, IF everything else is acceptable, then Wilder's side is willing to sit down to negotiate those other points.

A link to an account is supposed to be included if funds are there to show proof the deal isnt fraudulent

Hearn didn't do that when he offered 12.5.

its not legally possible for two fighters to make an official fight without a signed contract .........you knew that right ?

So Hearn should say whether the money is enough or not and if it's enough, they should sit down and negotiate the rest of the deal points to see if they can get the fight done or not.

You were a big time promoter and knew that of course right ?

Not a big time promoter at all. Never said that. I have worked for big time promoters and know what is and isn't common in negotiations. You continue to refuse to tell us what you do for a living and what has made you so convinced that you know how boxing negotiations typically occur.

Finkel NEEDED Hearn to agree so THEN he can use Joshua name to go get the money .

That's a lie. Further proof you're a clueless fan that just believes everything Hearn says publicly. Showtime is backing the fight. The funds are secure. Hearn knows Haymon & Finkel wouldn't make the offer unless they had the money.

The trick here is Finkel then takes away Hearns promotion .

Why would he allow that when Joshua can generate 20 Million dollar fight?

He wouldn't. So just be honest about what's really going on. It's not that the money isn't there. It's not that a contract wasn't attached. It's not any of Hearn's excuses. It's that Hearn has an exclusive promotional agreement with the biggest star in boxing and he's going to be reluctant to rent out his fighter no matter the offer.

I'm not saying Hearn should take this deal. If I was Hearn, I wouldn't take the deal. But the deal is real and Hearn's public reasons for not taking it are lies. The truth is exactly what you just described. He has the A-side, why would he allow himself to be cut out of the promotion?

[juggernaut666]

Is this guy still telling everybody he's a promoter? How ****** he thinks people are to believe stinky pile of lies like that? Wilder fans are easy to manipulate, they believe anything I suppose.
How was Wilder offer legit if he didn't send contract and refused to meet? Simple twitter 1 minute video is all it takes to convince people he's got 50 million? Maybe he's got that money from rich uncle?

Both of my posts above explain all this ....


Not even the Wilder fanclub believe WBC ,and thats scary considering they believe anything about Wilder . lol


I know promoters and hes definatley NOT one .


He cant be bc no legit promoter would do what hes telling Joshua to do .


Hes a clown !

[N/A]

Is this guy still telling everybody he's a promoter? How ****** he thinks people are to believe stinky pile of lies like that?

If you're so convinced I'm lying, why don't we bet on it?

[juggernaut666]

If you're so convinced I'm lying, why don't we bet on it?

Why dont you challenge him to 50,000 to a fight?



Are you still playing that game Mr. Professional ?

[N/A]

Why dont you challenge him to 50,000 to a fight?

Are you still playing that game Mr. Professional ?

fighting wouldn't prove anything.

he says i'm lying about being a promoter. all he has to do is put his money where is mouth his and i will gladly reveal my identity and provide my promoter licenses.

[Talivar]

Hearn said right from the start he very interested and happy with the 50mil, its everything else he wants to talk about, combine that with AJ saying lets roll that should be more than enough for a verbal confirmation that the ammount is ok now lets discuss the rest