Do you guys understand AJ is the A side?

[The plunger man]

I don't think they are all dense. The ones that are not dense realize Wilder is a dangerous fight for AJ because Wilder has power and AJ has some defensive and stamina issues. IMO AJ is much better and should win but there is no denying Wilder's power.

I was hopeful Wilder would consider taking the crap offer to go to England. One of the best memories I have of the sport is my favorite Hagler beating Minter.

Wouldn't it be great if Wilder got a KO win in front of 80-90k Brits!!

of course wilder is dangerous and you have to clueless to see he is not but joshua is more rounded in terms of technical abilty and core strength he also arguably punches as hard as wilder and certainly has more variety of how he finishes a fighter.....if wilder did pull of a shock win in the uk then he deserves big praise.
Marvellous marvin hagler was somewhat of a different ballgame to deontay wilder and the gap in class is way way different.
We have to look at the facts and staging it in a 90k sold out stadium at wembley will create a far bigger spectacle than it would in the states.
Just go back and watch AJ vs WK to see what we are talking about and the having it in the uk will be a guaranteed blockbuster.
Having the fight In america its an unknown risk if this fight takes place next.

[New England]

Can Wilder generate a mega fight without Joshua ?


If he cant he camt be the A side .

If he could make more in PPV they would have done so .


The fact is he cant be on PPV unless he has a KNOWN draw fighting him .

His struggling ticket sales is an indication of why his team never went PPV besides his opposition lack of appeal .

Joshua is the A side , no one is going to tune in and watch without him and expect to get the big numbers no matter how you try and twist things .

Hearn said a Vegas fight COULD be slighly more money involved IF he could build the fiht up .


You guys who keep using Canelo who has a strong mexican following and using straw man arguments that somehow bc he doesnt speak english somehow will make Wilder a bigger draw ? lol

Does Ortiz speak english ? Wasnt that Wilders highest pay yet ?


O.K carry on trying to sound smart , the more you do so the less i see you know what you're talking about !

And Showtime not allowing more than 2 Million to pay Wilder ? lol

What about his 900,000 pay days did they bring the cap down to a million at first ? lol

fighters typically don't go to ppv and then back down. this is a calculated process that's literally hashed out by accountants in addition to matchmakers, promoters, and managers.


and it's a process you don't understand.


did eddie hearn say the fight has bigger upside in vegas or didn't he?

[juggernaut666]

fighters typically don't go to ppv and then back down. this is a calculated process that's literally hashed out by accountants in addition to matchmakers, promoters, and managers.


and it's a process you don't understand.


did eddie hearn say the fight has bigger upside in vegas or didn't he?

Fighters have to build their PPV status ON PPV .

Even Hearn knows Joshua couldn't be a PPV draw in the U.S unless he had been on PPV frequently there .

But you think Wilder whos never been on PPV will be a success off the bat without Joshua ?

You keep saying i dont understand but everything you stated wasnt true .

1 . You claimed Hearn said the fight would be much bigger in the states .

No he said it would be marginal in 2019 .

2 . You claimed Wilder is not allowed to make over 2 Million on Showtime .

He did just that in his last fight . And you had no answer of his below his one Million pay days ?


3 . You said Wilder would be bigger than Canelo bc he doesnt speak english ? lol

You purposely ignored the Mexican fanbase is huge and continue to use guys who have been on PPV for decades as a nonsensical comparison as to why Wilder will pull bigger numbers .

4 . Who is Wilder going to fight on PPV other Joshua ? If he loses do you think hes going to PPV ,because i know Joshua is .



You refuse to answer the question of can Wilder make 20 Million without Joshua .

You didnt answer bc you know its NO .

He cant be the A side .

Carry on now telling me the complexities of how advanced the business model is and only you can decipher the CALCULATED processes .

[Eff Pandas]

Of course Joshua is the A side. But then again Joshua put the ball in the B sides court by saying give me 50M & we can do this.

So yea, but Joshua changed the narrative of his own accord to bump up the B side to make an offer.

Joshua ain't the smartest guy obviously lol. Respect to Joshua, but I know Hearn is like "I wish this wanker would stfu & just count all the money I'm getting him" under his breath at least once every other week.

[TheBigLug]

honestly, it's getting muddy. eddie seems, by his offer to wilder, to indicate that this fight will make a lot less than what wilder's people think it will make in the states.

make no mistake, this fight has a higher ceiling in america. eddie hearn has said this himself. he may be waiting for the time at which the fight will be made here and bigger here, because that tipping point is coming!

we have 6 times as many people, 10 times the GDP coming out of our economy, and we have las vegas. i wouldn't be so sure about who is the A side if this thing is built right.

hell, i'll even say this, if this fight is built the right way to maximize revenue it will be wilder who is the A side. and eddie knows that, too!

You speak sense.

The reality is that this fight is never going to get made until they agree on a proper % split deal.

Wilder's team aren't going to agree to a flat fee, which might end up being a low purse if the fight was built right and become huge. It's understandable that they don't want to settle for a flat fee and potentially could've earned more.

on the flipside, AJ's team are not going to agree to an "offer" when Wilder's team won't even meet with him, and rightly so. It's a ridiculous way of going about business if you're not willing to have real discussions. I could offer AJ $100m right now and refuse to have a meeting. It's just fantasy if there's no real plan to discuss. There's no substance to the offer.

This fight will never happen until it's done a conventional way, with % splits that both teams are happy with.

All these flat fee's and refusals to have meetings is just nonsense.

[Real King Kong]

Every rational poster realizes this. What AJ's fans need to accept is being the a side means you can't then treat him like he's a high risk, low reward b side.

As the a side if the fight doesn't happen it means AJ chose someone else and then structured the offer in such a way that Wilder's reps would advise him to not accept it. It means AJ/Hearn wants to make high earning easy defenses before fighting Wilder, something all rational posters understand.

It would be nice if AJ's fans just admitted this.

No more, no less.

Same thing Canelo was doing to ggg...a lot of the same posters that don't mind wilder having to wait where losing their **** over Canelo delaying a fight with ggg. Hope this one doesn't take 2 years.

[New England]

Fighters have to build their PPV status ON PPV .

Even Hearn knows Joshua couldn't be a PPV draw in the U.S unless he had been on PPV frequently there .

But you think Wilder whos never been on PPV will be a success off the bat without Joshua ?

You keep saying i dont understand but everything you stated wasnt true .

1 . You claimed Hearn said the fight would be much bigger in the states .

No he said it would be marginal in 2019 .

2 . You claimed Wilder is not allowed to make over 2 Million on Showtime .

He did just that in his last fight . And you had no answer of his below his one Million pay days ?


3 . You said Wilder would be bigger than Canelo bc he doesnt speak english ? lol

You purposely ignored the Mexican fanbase is huge and continue to use guys who have been on PPV for decades as a nonsensical comparison as to why Wilder will pull bigger numbers .

4 . Who is Wilder going to fight on PPV other Joshua ? If he loses do you think hes going to PPV ,because i know Joshua is .



You refuse to answer the question of can Wilder make 20 Million without Joshua .

You didnt answer bc you know its NO .

He cant be the A side .

Carry on now telling me the complexities of how advanced the business model is and only you can decipher thwe CALCULATED processes .

hearn recognizes the built in market and finances of the country where it's easy as hell to promote a tall, black american HW with knockout power. it will take very little investment, and it's acutally already tstarting to happen organically. hearn knows that wilder can be promoted into a ppv star overnight. he's a HW FFS, this is the country that bought 4-5 million ppvs to watch a welterweight they hated .

i don't care if you don't understand it, again. eddie hearn absolutely does. the guy is not dumb. this fight will be bigger in two years, and he's trying to push it off until then. and guess where it will be the biggest? it's not a stadium in england where most of the seats cost 100 dollars, i assure you. again, joshua vs klitschko did 8 million at the gate .



las vegas isn't the mecca of boxing, guys. casino's in las vegas don't litearlly bid on the right to host your fight. a british HW has a higher upside than an american one. this guy in chat knows what he's talking about .

[abracada]

AJ and Hearn will give wilder an offer. He can accept or not.

Wilder can offer $100M for all they care. They need to understand Hearn and AJ are going to control the promotion for the fight if and when it gets made.

Agree but it takes two to tango

[New England]

You speak sense.

The reality is that this fight is never going to get made until they agree on a proper % split deal.

Wilder's team aren't going to agree to a flat fee, which might end up being a low purse if the fight was built right and become huge. It's understandable that they don't want to settle for a flat fee and potentially could've earned more.

on the flipside, AJ's team are not going to agree to an "offer" when Wilder's team won't even meet with him, and rightly so. It's a ridiculous way of going about business if you're not willing to have real discussions. I could offer AJ $100m right now and refuse to have a meeting. It's just fantasy if there's no real plan to discuss. There's no substance to the offer.

This fight will never happen until it's done a conventional way, with % splits that both teams are happy with.

All these flat fee's and refusals to have meetings is just nonsense.

eddie's offer literally says

A:
the fight is smaller here

or B:
this is rounhly 15% of the purse.

you can't make it up . luckily, we don't have to. eddie hearn is not an idiot, teh guy knows that the end game for any fight, especially this one, is a casino in las vegas where you can attract the kind of people who will drop 100K in a night and come back in another year or two to do it again.


these guys have never been to las vegas, or even a big boxing match. don't expect them to understand how things work over here and why it is the mecca of boxing.

[New England]

This is true, he's said as much in his last interviews.



This is slightly less clear. He says that at the moment there's not a lot in the projections between the two locations. ie. it's slightly more revenue in the US but not so much that Joshua is inclined to give up home advantage.

I don't think anyone could deny that the earnings ceiling for a big fight in the US is significantly higher. The key question becomes whether that ceiling is likely to be reached given that neither fighter has a PPV pedigree there.

this could be promoted into 2X the draw canelo and golovin was litearlly overnight. do you have any idea how easy it will be to promote a black, loud, knockout puncher like wilder? people ate up watching floyd mayweather, one of the most boring fighters of the era! wilder's highlight reel, a press tour, a few key interviews or TV spots for both guys, and the revenue is higher than anything joshua will ever see.


hell, joshua himself can be a star here. really. there's that kind of market for a HW right now. black sells in the US. there are almost as many "non hispanic" blacks in the US as there are people of any color in england! there's just so much we have here that they don't have over there, and it's fine.


eddie knows it, we all know it, he's pushing this fight off and eventually it's coming here. he may try and control the first one and take a hit, but the second fight is goign to come here and sell a hell of a lot more! i'd bet a lot of money on both of those things!