Do you guys understand AJ is the A side?

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I'm the CEO of a multi-time funded tech company. I think I know a thing or two about making millon dollar deals.

You can shoot me a pm for proof if you wish.

So when you're making million dollar deals, you never agree in principle on one deal point while continuing to hammer out other deal points?

[Laligalaliga]

it'll be another Hagler Minter if Wilder wins

So what will it be if AJ wins?

[Laligalaliga]

you don't understand how premium TV fight-buying works, and that is fine. i don't expect you to, given your proximity, and you don't expect you to put in the work to understand it, given your obvious bias.

wilder makes an allowance from al haymon every year in addition to his purses. his biggest purse was goign to be povetkin, where ryabinsky paid too much money to keep his fighter in the only country in which he can pass a drug test. while he's on showime he cannot make more than around 2 million per fight. showtime will not pay any more than that, and i've gone over why in several different threads.

when he goes to ppv, like every other american fighter who makes it to ppv, he will make exponentially more money than anybody else in boxing.


eddie hearn literally has said that the fight has a higher upside here. do you not believe me?



here's a little example: there were $60 dollar tickets to joshua's last fight. he did 8 million pounds at the gate against klitschko.

bernard hopkins and joe freaking calzaghe did better.

canelo and golovkin, who speak no english and are not american, did close to 30 f#cking million, and sold 1.3 million ppv at $75 a pop, more than it cost to watch joshua in the arena vs parker.


that's not counting that casinos in vegas literally pay money to host fights, and bring in more at the tables that weekend than any of the promoters or fighters.



again, i don't expect you do understand this, but eddie hearn certanly does. "you mean to tell me the country with nearly 20 million in GDP has a potentially higher upside for a fight than a country with 1/10th of that?!?!?! are you crazy!?!?!?"


deny that eddie hearn acknowledges that this fight has a much, much higher earning potential in america. please deny it. i want you to call eddie hearn a liar.

everything you wrote is very correct, it only takes a ****** to argue any of that. But am argument is, all these figures can or will be achieved mainly because of AJ not wilder which ever way you want to see.
The fight will make much more money in Vegas.
Let the guys in charge sort out their differences and let the fight be made.

[Laligalaliga]

What do you want him to say? He's a promoter. It's his job to lie. If he was actually very interested, he'd say "we'll accept the money if everything else turns out to be kosher." That's all he has to say to get Haymon & Finkel to sit down with him.

But Hearn is very deliberately avoiding saying that he'd accept the money if everything else is to his liking. VuHe's avoiding saying that because he doesn't want the deal.

Stop defending rubbish like you are new in this boxing game.
Don't you know how offers come and counter offers and other negotiations?
Two fighter have agreed on social media, what's left is for their promoters to sit down and finalize the details.
What exactly are you talking about.

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Stop defending rubbish like you are new in this boxing game.
Don't you know how offers come and counter offers and other negotiations?
Two fighter have agreed on social media, what's left is for their promoters to sit down and finalize the details.
What exactly are you talking about.

yes, unlike you, i negotiate fights every day and have done so for decades.

the fighters agreeing is meaningless. hearn has AJ under an exclusive promotional agreement and hearn's acceptance is what matters.

hearn continues to refuse to say whether 50 million is enough, even if all other terms are to his liking.

you dont sit down to discuss small details until you come to an understanding on the big detail (money).

team wilder have submitted a deal that is great for AJ, but horrible for hearn. i would not accept if i was hearn and i don't expect him to accept.

my only issue is that hearn is making up ridiculous excuses to fool fans.

[Laligalaliga]

yes, unlike you, i negotiate fights every day and have done so for decades.

the fighters agreeing is meaningless. hearn has AJ under an exclusive promotional agreement and hearn's acceptance is what matters.

hearn continues to refuse to say whether 50 million is enough, even if all other terms are to his liking.

you dont sit down to discuss small details until you come to an understanding on the big detail (money).

team wilder have submitted a deal that is great for AJ, but horrible for hearn. i would not accept if i was hearn and i don't expect him to accept.

my only issue is that hearn is making up ridiculous excuses to fool fans.

Well, it's good to know you negotiate fights, nevertheless, that's by the way.
The only offer am aware is the offer wilder made through his twitter account that AJ responded with "let's roll" . Did funnel send hearn an official mail to this regard? Any prove cos funnel himself have never confirm anything of such.
Fights are not made in social media, both parties need to sit which funnel seems not to be interested to have meeting with hearn, canceling meetings on two occasions.

[Laligalaliga]

Eddie has done a good job of twisting the story so that somebody hearing his side might thing it's bizarre, but the truth isn't bizarre at all. Again, if you think I'm lying about being a promoter, let's just bet. Put your money where your mouth is and I'll gladly prove myself.




First of all, it wasn't 24 hours. It was two days. The same amount of time Wilder was given by Hearn in Hearn's offer. It's called gamesmanship.

Am just wondering when finkel made this offer to hearn. The only offer I know about is the twitter offer. You guys shouldn't get me confused.

[Laligalaliga]

The email was sent one day with a deadline of the end of the next day. Same thing Eddie wrote to Finkel. It's all gamesmanship. There are all sorts of games played like this in a negotiation. Both sides know these deadlines are bull****. It's just foreplay.

Eddie is twisting that he was asked to agree to anything other than acknowledging that 50 million would be sufficient if all other deal points ended up being satisfactory.

I can have 100k in escrow within 48 hours no problem. If you want to bet more than that, I would need a little time.

Brada promoter, please correct yourself. Finkel has never come out to tell us he sent hearn an offer via email. So where is your news coming from?

[LacedUp]

So when you're making million dollar deals, you never agree in principle on one deal point while continuing to hammer out other deal points?

Absolutely not.

Getting a deal done requires multiple stakeholders, valuations, due diligence, amount you're raising, partner meetings/approvals etc etc.

No one in venture capital would ever 'agree' to anything before a long long list of negotiation points and pre-requirements have been comprehensively ticked off.

The actual deal happens after about 2-3 months of heavy process work.

Imagine I go to an investor and say "before we meet, you must accept to give me 2 million dollars".

They would laugh in my face and tell me never to call them again.