Do you guys understand AJ is the A side?

[Tutsa]

You mean the weak side rejecting 50 million to fight in the USA!! Hearn knows AJ will lose and he is not going to let his tide go a drift !! I don't blame him pulling in 50 million a fight against scrubs !!

[The Big Dunn]

yeah a lot of ******s on here dont seem to have got there head round it. its the joshua show and wilders just another opponent. its hearn and joshua who are in control and who get to pull the strings, not finkel or wilder.

Just make sure you hold A side AJ accountable if the fight falls through.

When you pull the strings, you can't blame the puppet if sh-t goes wrong.

[New England]

honestly, it's getting muddy. eddie seems, by his offer to wilder, to indicate that this fight will make a lot less than what wilder's people think it will make in the states.

make no mistake, this fight has a higher ceiling in america. eddie hearn has said this himself. he may be waiting for the time at which the fight will be made here and bigger here, because that tipping point is coming!

we have 6 times as many people, 10 times the GDP coming out of our economy, and we have las vegas. i wouldn't be so sure about who is the A side if this thing is built right.

hell, i'll even say this, if this fight is built the right way to maximize revenue it will be wilder who is the A side. and eddie knows that, too!

[4truth]

I understand that this A-side B-side crap is the biggest problem in boxing and keeps a lot of important fights from happening. I understand that it hurts boxing's credibility as compared to other sports.

[SAINTSTEVE]

Yeah if this fight unravels then you will understand why the UFC steals fans away from boxing.

[juggernaut666]

honestly, it's getting muddy. eddie seems, by his offer to wilder, to indicate that this fight will make a lot less than what wilder's people think it will make in the states.

make no mistake, this fight has a higher ceiling in america. eddie hearn has said this himself. he may be waiting for the time at which the fight will be made here and bigger here, because that tipping point is coming!

we have 6 times as many people, 10 times the GDP coming out of our economy, and we have las vegas. i wouldn't be so sure about who is the A side if this thing is built right.

hell, i'll even say this, if this fight is built the right way to maximize revenue it will be wilder who is the A side. and eddie knows that, too!

Can Wilder generate 20 Million without Joshua ?

He cant even make it out of the 2 Million zone bc hes been averaging below 1.5 Million dollar fights .


You cant claim ANY side with those numbers if the other fighter is generatinhg the money coming in with such a lopsided comparison .


Joshua would need to lose one arm for Wilder to be the A side .

[New England]

Can Wilder generate 20 Million without Joshua ?

He cant even make it out of the 2 Million zone bc hes been averaging below 1.5 Million dollar fights .


You cant claim ANY side with those numbers if the other fighter is generatinhg the money coming in with such a lopsided comparison .


Joshua would need to lose one arm for Wilder to be the A side .

you don't understand how premium TV fight-buying works, and that is fine. i don't expect you to, given your proximity, and you don't expect you to put in the work to understand it, given your obvious bias.

wilder makes an allowance from al haymon every year in addition to his purses. his biggest purse was goign to be povetkin, where ryabinsky paid too much money to keep his fighter in the only country in which he can pass a drug test. while he's on showime he cannot make more than around 2 million per fight. showtime will not pay any more than that, and i've gone over why in several different threads.

when he goes to ppv, like every other american fighter who makes it to ppv, he will make exponentially more money than anybody else in boxing.


eddie hearn literally has said that the fight has a higher upside here. do you not believe me?



here's a little example: there were $60 dollar tickets to joshua's last fight. he did 8 million pounds at the gate against klitschko.

bernard hopkins and joe freaking calzaghe did better.

canelo and golovkin, who speak no english and are not american, did close to 30 f#cking million, and sold 1.3 million ppv at $75 a pop, more than it cost to watch joshua in the arena vs parker.


that's not counting that casinos in vegas literally pay money to host fights, and bring in more at the tables that weekend than any of the promoters or fighters.



again, i don't expect you do understand this, but eddie hearn certanly does. "you mean to tell me the country with nearly 20 million in GDP has a potentially higher upside for a fight than a country with 1/10th of that?!?!?! are you crazy!?!?!?"


deny that eddie hearn acknowledges that this fight has a much, much higher earning potential in america. please deny it. i want you to call eddie hearn a liar.

[Holler]

eddie hearn literally has said that the fight has a higher upside here. do you not believe me?

This is true, he's said as much in his last interviews.

deny that eddie hearn acknowledges that this fight has a much, much higher earning potential in america. please deny it. i want you to call eddie hearn a liar.

This is slightly less clear. He says that at the moment there's not a lot in the projections between the two locations. ie. it's slightly more revenue in the US but not so much that Joshua is inclined to give up home advantage.

I don't think anyone could deny that the earnings ceiling for a big fight in the US is significantly higher. The key question becomes whether that ceiling is likely to be reached given that neither fighter has a PPV pedigree there.

[bballchump11]

honestly, it's getting muddy. eddie seems, by his offer to wilder, to indicate that this fight will make a lot less than what wilder's people think it will make in the states.

make no mistake, this fight has a higher ceiling in america. eddie hearn has said this himself. he may be waiting for the time at which the fight will be made here and bigger here, because that tipping point is coming!

we have 6 times as many people, 10 times the GDP coming out of our economy, and we have las vegas. i wouldn't be so sure about who is the A side if this thing is built right.

hell, i'll even say this, if this fight is built the right way to maximize revenue it will be wilder who is the A side. and eddie knows that, too!

good point especially the last paragraph.

[juggernaut666]

you don't understand how premium TV fight-buying works, and that is fine. i don't expect you to, given your proximity, and you don't expect you to put in the work to understand it, given your obvious bias.

wilder makes an allowance from al haymon every year in addition to his purses. his biggest purse was goign to be povetkin, where ryabinsky paid too much money to keep his fighter in the only country in which he can pass a drug test. while he's on showime he cannot make more than around 2 million per fight. showtime will not pay any more than that, and i've gone over why in several different threads.

when he goes to ppv, like every other american fighter who makes it to ppv, he will make exponentially more money than anybody else in boxing.


eddie hearn literally has said that the fight has a higher upside here. do you not believe me?



here's a little example: there were $60 dollar tickets to joshua's last fight. he did 8 million pounds at the gate against klitschko.

bernard hopkins and joe freaking calzaghe did better.

canelo and golovkin, who speak no english and are not american, did close to 30 f#cking million, and sold 1.3 million ppv at $75 a pop, more than it cost to watch joshua in the arena vs parker.


that's not counting that casinos in vegas literally pay money to host fights, and bring in more at the tables that weekend than any of the promoters or fighters.



again, i don't expect you do understand this, but eddie hearn certanly does. "you mean to tell me the country with nearly 20 million in GDP has a potentially higher upside for a fight than a country with 1/10th of that?!?!?! are you crazy!?!?!?"


deny that eddie hearn acknowledges that this fight has a much, much higher earning potential in america. please deny it. i want you to call eddie hearn a liar.

Can Wilder generate a mega fight without Joshua ?


If he cant he cant be the A side .

If he could make more in PPV they would have done so .


The fact is he cant be on PPV unless he has a KNOWN draw fighting him .

His struggling ticket sales is an indication of why his team never went PPV besides his opposition lack of appeal .

Joshua is the A side , no one is going to tune in and watch without him and expect to get the big numbers no matter how you try and twist things .

Hearn said a Vegas fight COULD be slighly more money involved IF he could build the fiht up .


You guys who keep using Canelo who has a strong mexican following and using straw man arguments that somehow bc he doesnt speak english somehow will make Wilder a bigger draw ? lol

Does Ortiz speak english ? Wasnt that Wilders highest pay yet ?


O.K carry on trying to sound smart , the more you do so the less i see you know what you're talking about !

And Showtime not allowing more than 2 Million to pay Wilder ? lol

What about his 900,000 pay days did they bring the cap down to a million at first ? lol


Showtime cant pay Wilder more than 2 Million yet he made over that in his last fight ? Give me a break ...