41 years old Klitschko vs 38 years old Ortiz - who is a better fighter?

[Sid-Knee]

Lmao Rahman has a win over Lennox, drew with Toney and Tua. That alone ****s or anything Ortiz have done. And it's not up for debate.

In fact, Those three favorite fighters are more proven and have better resumes than Luis Ortiz.

Just go already, you're embarrassing yourself. Lol at you Wilder turds after every fight of his you guys come up with more ******ed notions than last time



The point I was trying to make is you can't judge how good Ortiz and Wlad were at the time based on those fights because of the huge difference in class between fury and the guys Ortiz fought

Besides AJ didn’t fight the same Klitschko Fury fought. Klitschko was much more motivated and was at his lightest weight in years

I'd bet any amount of money that the 2017 version of Klitschko beats the Ortiz we saw last night. Any amount

Well said. The guy is an idiot.

[b00g13man]

All of this is irrelevant. Let's get them in the ring once and for all (assuming AJ does what I expect him to vs Parker) to settle it.

[Damn Wicked]

Wladimir is way more proven than Ortiz but Ortiz is a pretty good fighter, especially for a guy approaching 40. I think Klitschko would beat Ortiz anytime over the last 12 years or so. There's no evidence to suggest Ortiz is as good as Klitschko and plenty of evidence to suggest that WK is a much better fighter. Wladimir is also bigger, faster, more athletic and much more mobile on feet.

[Sid-Knee]

Klitschko's the better name obviously but we don't really know what he had left. He got absolutely embarrassed by Tyson Fury, who is one of the worst boxers of all-time, took a year and a half off, and then jumped straight into a Joshua fight. He showed an inability to pull the trigger during the entirety of the Fury fight and again after he hurt Joshua in their fight. Klitschko is a first-ballot HOF, but that doesn't mean he had anything left vs. Joshua.

Who's a better fighter - Ali from the Berbick fight or Luis Ortiz? Louis from the Marciano fight or Luis Ortiz?

Fury is not disciplined, that much is true. But to say he's one of the worst boxers of all time is clearly preposterous.

Wlad has been cautious throughout his entire reign. To say he wasn't pulling the trigger in the Joshua fight is to be ignorant of most of Wlads championship fights.

Wlad had plenty left in the Joshua fight. He looked very good that night.

Ortiz is better than the Ali in the Berbick fight, but around the same as Louis in the Marciano fight.

[Szef]

James Toney is a blown up MIDDLEWEIGHT lmao. The fact that an OBESE, BRAIN DAMAGED (literally) 160lber that once went life and death with Dave Tiberi goes all the way up to HW and arguably beats the top dogs at HW like Rahman and Peter should tell you something.

You people are so deluded you can't see that reality for what it is. Even Tua himself got schooled by Chris ****ing Byrd and arguably lost to a journeyman named Jeff Wooden.

I'm aware of the fact that toney started at MW. But a win over him still ****s on anything Ortiz has done.

This is the part you don't get. You belittle fighters like Sanders or Rahman who by all means weren't great... But they still had better resumes and were much, MUCH more proven than Luis Ortiz and fought in a much tougher era.

You claim Ortiz is better than them based on the eye test and nothing else. PERIOD.

Which is funny because when a conversation is about ggg you're always the first one to say 'who has he beat? The fighter xxx beat fighters y, x and r which proves he's better because lil g didn't beat fighters F and U.

You're a nationalistic biased yank. And there wouldn't anything wrong with if you came out and just admited it. But you won't and that's why I can't take your opinion on this or other topics involving American fighters seriously

[Cutthroat]

Time for bed I think... You do know that Sander's era was the Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson era don't you??

Of course you didn't. Otherwise you wouldn't have made a complete fool of yourself. Again.

Tyson has one of the shortest primes as a HW fighter ever, by '90 he was already past his prime with the death of his trainer losing to a journeyman in Douglas.

It's real simple, ask yourself, what'd the response be if ANY of the top fighters at HW lost to a journeyman like Douglas?

Holyfield himself lost to a damn blown up LHW, said his toughest fight was vs 5'5 HW Qawi, and admitted Foreman nearly KO'd him with a shot in the 11th round. Again I ask you, what would the response be to this era's fighters losing to a blown up LHW? This is an era where a 5'5 HW like Qawi was able to move up in the rankings and give a guy like Holyfield hell.

It is what it is is dude, you have to do mental gymnastics in order to believe it's better than this current era's.

And Lewis was lazy, he barely trained for Rahman 1, he annihilated him in the rematch. As good as Lewis was, he'd struggle with most of the guys today and loses to AJ/Wilder, probably Fury too.

[Cutthroat]

I'm aware of the fact that toney started at MW. But a win over him still ****s on anything Ortiz has done.

This is the part you don't get. You belittle fighters like Sanders or Rahman who by all means weren't great... But they still had better resumes and were much, MUCH more proven than Luis Ortiz and fought in a much tougher era.

You claim Ortiz is better than them based on the eye test and nothing else. PERIOD.

Which is funny because when a conversation is about ggg you're always the first one to say 'who has he beat? The fighter xxx beat fighters y, x and r which proves he's better because lil g didn't beat fighters F and U.

You're a nationalistic biased yank. And there wouldn't anything wrong with if you came out and just admited it. But you won't and that's why I can't take your opinion on this or other topics involving American fighters seriously

You're aware Toney was an obese, brain damaged, blown up 160lber with a set of **** was capable of drawing with Rahman but in your mind it's because he was special, not because the division is shyt. You're delusional.

Just like the way Douglas beat Tyson, people love to say "Oh no, Douglas was man possessed he'd beat any HW that night" it's complete and utter BS.


Just like Tua arguably losing to a journeyman in Wooden and losing a clear UD to Byrd, instead of "hmm maybe he's not that great" it's some lame ass excuse as to why he struggled.

Has it ever occurred to you, maybe, just maybe, these losses were due to them being shyt fighters?

You prop up fighters that have already lost to journeyman while downplaying the undefeated fighters that have dominated their competition.

Better era LMAO. Even in the 90s had journeyman like Douglas beating Tyson, midgets like 5'5 Qawi giving Holyfield hell, obese HWs like Foreman knocking out a HW champ, a LHW like Moorer becoming a HW champ.

I ain't afraid to call BS, to examine the reality of it.

[Sid-Knee]

Tyson has one of the shortest primes as a HW fighter ever, by '90 he was already past his prime with the death of his trainer losing to a journeyman in Douglas.

It's real simple, ask yourself, what'd the response be if ANY of the top fighters at HW lost to a journeyman like Douglas?

Holyfield himself lost to a damn blown up LHW, said his toughest fight was vs 5'5 HW Qawi, and admitted Foreman nearly KO'd him with a shot in the 11th round. Again I ask you, what would the response be to this era's fighters losing to a blown up LHW? This is an era where a 5'5 HW like Qawi was able to move up in the rankings and give a guy like Holyfield hell.

It is what it is is dude, you have to do mental gymnastics in order to believe it's better than this current era's.

And Lewis was lazy, he barely trained for Rahman 1, he annihilated him in the rematch. As good as Lewis was, he'd struggle with most of the guys today and loses to AJ/Wilder, probably Fury too.

Holy ****!!! your mental illness is much more profound than I first thought.

I won't bother you again.

[Cutthroat]

Holy ****!!! your mental illness is much more profound than I first thought.

I won't bother you again.

If you can't debate, you can't debate.

People always say I troll but what I say comes true.

[Sheldon312]

Tyson has one of the shortest primes as a HW fighter ever, by '90 he was already past his prime with the death of his trainer losing to a journeyman in Douglas.

It's real simple, ask yourself, what'd the response be if ANY of the top fighters at HW lost to a journeyman like Douglas?

Holyfield himself lost to a damn blown up LHW, said his toughest fight was vs 5'5 HW Qawi, and admitted Foreman nearly KO'd him with a shot in the 11th round. Again I ask you, what would the response be to this era's fighters losing to a blown up LHW? This is an era where a 5'5 HW like Qawi was able to move up in the rankings and give a guy like Holyfield hell.

It is what it is is dude, you have to do mental gymnastics in order to believe it's better than this current era's.

And Lewis was lazy, he barely trained for Rahman 1, he annihilated him in the rematch. As good as Lewis was, he'd struggle with most of the guys today and loses to AJ/Wilder, probably Fury too.

I personally think that a guy like Douglas would beat Wilder and Fury. Not sure about Joshua