41 years old Klitschko vs 38 years old Ortiz - who is a better fighter?

[Sid-Knee]

This fight has really brought out the ******s. I don't care about their official age, just compare the physical condition of the two. If someone tells me Ortiz (best win Bryant Jennings) is a better win then wlad (haye, povetkin, pulev and many others) then I can't take them seriously. Don't care what other opinions they've got on the sport, cause they don't know what they are on about. The difference in quality on display between the two fights was ridiculous.

You know what Americans are like. Just laugh are their complete madness.

[Szef]

Ortiz-80% KO ratio

Sanders-67% KO ratio

Thompson-57% KO ratio

Ortiz is a level beyond both fighters in terms of skill and power

Based on nothing but your wild imagination. Both Thompson and Sanders were more proven and had better resumes.

Pretty much this. From a historical context Wlad is obviously better. But that's not the question and the dates of the fight can't be ignored. Wlad was declining before the Fury loss.

Ortiz was definitely the more dangerous fighter at the time of the fights. Joshua beat a clearly diminished version of Klitschko and that shouldn't even be a debate.

There is no evidence of Ortiz declining. You can speculate about his age but nothing previous to this fight exposed him as a "seriously" declining fighter. Nothing.

How would these fights go in your opinion

Ortiz vs Fury (in 2015)

Klitschko vs Malik Scott, David Allen, David Martz (at the time Ortiz fought them)

[Sid-Knee]

Pretty much this. From a historical context Wlad is obviously better. But that's not the question and the dates of the fight can't be ignored. Wlad was declining before the Fury loss.

Ortiz was definitely the more dangerous fighter at the time of the fights. Joshua beat a clearly diminished version of Klitschko and that shouldn't even be a debate.

Wlad was in much better shape than Ortiz was. Luis didn't do anything for the first 6 rounds. He then lands a few nothing punches which has Wilder disco dancing, then he gasses out badly.

The quality between Wlad and Ortiz is night and day. Wlad clearly was the superior fighter. Clearly.

[Mister Wolf]

Yes, because Ortiz looked stellar against Allen and Scott didn't he.

Well done for showing no bias in any way. Good day.

Doesn't matter whether he looked steller. He won and didn't look like a shot fighter, nor did he fight Wilder having been inactive for a year and a half.

[Cutthroat]

The thing is, Ortiz lost his power 2-3 years ago. Those punches were not heavy in the slightest. Still had Wilder all over the place ready to go though.

No he didn't, Ortiz has literally stopped every single fighter put in front of him aside of Scott who is a solid defensive fighter/mover that was in pure survival mode, still got put down multiple times.

You take away the no contests on his resume and his KO % shoots up even more.

[RussB23]

Big fan of Ortiz, gotta say wlad though. He dominated for years and was still very good when he fought joshua.

[Sid-Knee]

There is no evidence of Ortiz declining. You can speculate about his age but nothing previous to this fight exposed him as a "seriously" declining fighter. Nothing.

If you couldn't see that Ortiz was clearly past it over the last couple of years, then you need your eyes looking at. Because you're as blind as a bat.

[Cutthroat]

Based on what?

Based on statistics and resumes. Ortiz' KO ratio is actually in the 90% range when you take out the no contests and DQ he suffered. Only Scott has gone the distance and even he got battered.

Everyone knows Sanders was a glass cannon, he lost to Rahman and we know where Rahman himself was with his loss to Maskaev. We know where guys like Tua, Johnson, etc. all these heavies from the past era are and they're not on Ortiz' level at all.

[Sid-Knee]

Doesn't matter whether he looked steller. He won and didn't look like a shot fighter, nor did he fight Wilder having been inactive for a year and a half.

Ortiz has looked like **** for years now. Don't try and paint it any other way.

[Sid-Knee]

No he didn't, Ortiz has literally stopped every single fighter put in front of him aside of Scott who is a solid defensive fighter/mover that was in pure survival mode, still got put down multiple times.

You take away the no contests on his resume and his KO % shoots up even more.

He's lost his power, man. That was clear to see last night. Nothing he hit Wilder with had much on them. Just goes to show how good Wilder's punch resistance is.