Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Spence-Crawford, Lara-Hurd, GGG, More

[Shadoww702]

you seem to rate ward very low. but had kovalev gotten the decision against him and then stopped him in a rematch you would rate kovalev as an ATG.

shut yo delusional hating azz up!

ward ruined your life by exposing little g as a hypocritical coward and then beating the vodka out of kovalev.

u seem to downplay it because you still have nightmares. look at your sig. your blood boils with hatred.

ward is so overrated that kovalev even considered training under virgil hunter to learn alongside the master that conquered him!

kovalev himself disagrees with you.

and u love talking about gifts and judges but I bet you have no problem when kovalev won a split decision over boone in 2010 even though he was dropped twice! you love those judges dont you.

change ur name to "Boxing Flunky" .. theres nothing logical about none of your rants.

I still consider Kovalov a P4P top 10 until someone else besides the #1 P4P beats him.

[OnlyBeingHonest]

"Errol is a tremendous talent but I don’t rate him over Vasyl Lomachenko. If everyone was the same size I don’t know if anyone could beat Lomachenko. He’s like a weird type of good in my opinion. When I assess p4p status one of the things I do is decide who I would bet my money on in a fight if everything were even as far as size. At this moment I wouldn’t bet against Lomachenko and I’m a gambler!"

"Here is my top 10 P4P.

Terence Crawford

Vasyl Lomachenko ... "

???

I think he's just naming his top 10, not saying TC is #1, Loma #2. There are no numbers to indicate that it is in best to least order.

[Tha Kid]

??? Doesn't Loma already have a loss??? So someone has already shown he can be beat...

Yeah that was strange. It's almost like they forgot they he lost to a journeyman at the time in Salido. Lmao. Im surprised Breadman is on Loma's nuts like that along with everyone else. I would just like to see him fight guys in their prime..same size and let's see what happens. Fight Mikey Garcia at 135. Or he could really get his head torn off and go up to 140 to fight Regis Prograis...who is about to beat the dog **** out of Postol on March 9th.

[filup79]

Chad Dawson was knocked out in sparring leading up to the Ward fight. And Edwin Rodriguez gets to be considered a "solid win" now? And Froch and old Kessler are Hall of Fame level wins? It's just crazy how far the bar gets lowered to accommodate these establishment star North American boxers. Then Breadman complains about the mentality of this era when he is one of the people to blame for that weak mentality (i.e. low bar) when he is constantly lowering the bar for the boxers he likes.

Keep the bar high across the board, and tell the truth these situations like that Andre Ward retired before attaining a single legitimate win against a prime undrained A-level boxer, same as Floyd did, and the old school mentality will come back to boxing. But keep lowering the bar for these guys, and this is what you get.

I mean, why would modern boxers go above and beyond to try to clear a high bar like the old school boxers did if you're going to give them just as much credit, and call them "All Time Greats," just because they cleared a very low bar by beating B-level and past prime opposition? If Breadman and the rest of the modern boxing media are going to induct you into the Hall of Fame just for fighting one B-level or C-level opponent per year, and then retiring with less than 35 fights (and most of those as a prospect against no hopers, so really no more than even 10-12 fights against even B-level guys your entire career), then why bother actually doing anything truly great when you will get all the credit for being great without having to go any of the trouble of proving it?

Yet you consider Loma a legend when he's beaten one top fighter who was 2 weight classed below him.

You come here talking about certain fighters beating B and C level fighters and they are considered great but fail to mention how Loma is a legend for beating an unproven Russell JR. for a vacant title who at the time was fighting nothing but TBAs and his biggest win is against a shopworn Johnny Gonzalez. He beat the weakest champ in Rocky Martinez who had been KOd by Mikey and given a gift win against Salido. He then beats Marriaga and Sosa who were smaller and came of losses. LOma will probably beat Beltran for the 135 title next and people will call him a 3 division champ, but yet **** on Broner being a 4 division champ, when both Loma and Broner didn't really beat the best champ for those titles. Loma is a great talent, lets see if he challenges himself and proves it first. And I don't care if he only has 11 fights, he turned pro at 25 and chose to stay in the amateurs beating up on teenagers instead of turning pro.

[Fire4231]

But it could have been Ward who mauled Bute and took his undefeated record instead of Froch, which would have made Ward's legacy seem greater. That's what Bread is saying.

Kafkod- But two questions for you..can we blame Ward? And who was Bute anyway? We can’t blame Ward because Bute chose to fight Froch. He felt the fight was more winnable and financially lucrative. Who was Bute anyway? The fact that he lost against the same guy Ward destroyed and the first Super Six fighter he went against should remove Butes name from legacy discussion. Afterall he was only a de facto champion because the best were all tied up contractually in the Super Six. My eyes say Kessler and Direll would have also beaten Bute. You guys would have a point if Bute beat Froch or made it close. He was knocked out in 5 and has not beat anyone else of note. Since then he loss to Pascal, DeGale, Jack (Changed from robbery to DQ) and Alvarez. Let’s keep it real Bute was champion under the most su****ious circumstances. I don’t think he adds or subtracts from Ward’s legacy if we are being fair.

[TheClap]

"Errol is a tremendous talent but I don’t rate him over Vasyl Lomachenko. If everyone was the same size I don’t know if anyone could beat Lomachenko. He’s like a weird type of good in my opinion. When I assess p4p status one of the things I do is decide who I would bet my money on in a fight if everything were even as far as size. At this moment I wouldn’t bet against Lomachenko and I’m a gambler!"

"Here is my top 10 P4P.

Terence Crawford

Vasyl Lomachenko ... "

???

Hahaha, I also picked that up. Bread is swinging off Loma's nuts so bad he's confused the logic out of himself

[Shadoww702]

I think he's just naming his top 10, not saying TC is #1, Loma #2. There are no numbers to indicate that it is in best to least order.

No I think that is is order???

[kafkod]

Hahaha, I also picked that up. Bread is swinging off Loma's nuts so bad he's confused the logic out of himself

No I think that is is order???

I think he's just naming his top 10, not saying TC is #1, Loma #2. There are no numbers to indicate that it is in best to least order.

You know what .. I remember now Bread once saying that he doesn't give any order to his P4P lists because it's impossible to rate fighters in different divisions so exactly.

I forgot about that ... but yeah, it makes sense now.

[kafkod]

Kafkod- But two questions for you..can we blame Ward? And who was Bute anyway? We can’t blame Ward because Bute chose to fight Froch. He felt the fight was more winnable and financially lucrative. Who was Bute anyway? The fact that he lost against the same guy Ward destroyed and the first Super Six fighter he went against should remove Butes name from legacy discussion. Afterall he was only a de facto champion because the best were all tied up contractually in the Super Six. My eyes say Kessler and Direll would have also beaten Bute. You guys would have a point if Bute beat Froch or made it close. He was knocked out in 5 and has not beat anyone else of note. Since then he loss to Pascal, DeGale, Jack (Changed from robbery to DQ) and Alvarez. Let’s keep it real Bute was champion under the most su****ious circumstances. I don’t think he adds or subtracts from Ward’s legacy if we are being fair.

Bute didn't choose Froch instead of Ward doe. He wanted to fight Ward and sent at least one offer - possibly two - which Ward turned down.

Bute was unbeaten at that point and regarded very highly. Many rated him the best SMW in the world, and he was favourite to beat Froch, even away from home.

So Froch got the credit for beating the boogie man, not Ward. There is no doubt at all that beating Bute enhanced Froch's legacy, and it would have done the same for Ward's if he'd taken the fight.

[future hendrixx]

"I see fighters at 147 trying to be Spence’s buddy so they don’t have to fight him."

I like this obvious shot at shawn porter. hes tryin real hard to be BFF with spence. its pathetic.