Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Spence-Crawford, Lara-Hurd, GGG, More

[future hendrixx]

this breadman sounds like the ward fanboys on here. pretending beating dawson and getting gift decisions make him a great fighter...what? pretending he was the under dog when he had every fight at home where he cheated come on now. his mind processes faster hmmm yea that must be it...thats why kovalev completely outboxed him what happened to his fast brain? hes just more of a cheater than anyone else. when he couldnt compete with them he just held and fouled

ward whooped kovalev twice!.. it burns 🔥 i know.

you can downplay it all u want and call ward a cheater and blah blah.. but even kovalev wanted to train under virgil hunter to get tips from his master.

the history books will always remember kovalev as ward's step child. every thing he accomplishes from now on will only enhance ward's legacy.

[harry-greb]

I disagree that Ward missed Bute. Bute got absolutely mauled by Froch shortly after the Super 6 so I do't really consider that a missed fight by Ward.

It was a miss by ward. You could even go so far as to say it was a duck.
After ward won the super 6, bute wanted to fight him. Ward said at the time that after going through the super 6, bute shouldn't just get the winner. I half agreed with ward at the time, but if froch won the tournament, he wudda jumped in with bute without a second thought

[harry-greb]

But it could have been Ward who mauled Bute and took his undefeated record instead of Froch, which would have made Ward's legacy seem greater. That's what Bread is saying.

The truth. It was a miss by ward.

[harry-greb]

I have to agree with this. I mean almost 90%of those scoring the fight from genuine boxing and sport publications /websites had it for kovalev. Most by a margin of 2-3 rounds.

Its difficult to get more comprehensive than that. The problem is, the American boxing media has retconned that fight. From the moment HBO ran their programming for the rematch, they pushed the lie that the fight was competitive and Ward somehow came back.

They featured interviews from the tiny percentage who saw it that way and ignored the rest. They also retconned what they themselves had said and edited the videos to make the highlights seem as competitive as possible.

Sadly that is the nature of American boxing.

I had it to ward 114-113. I've watched it 3 times and its the same score I come up with every time. And I'm no fan of Ward

[siablo14]

"Errol is a tremendous talent but I don’t rate him over Vasyl Lomachenko. If everyone was the same size I don’t know if anyone could beat Lomachenko. He’s like a weird type of good in my opinion. When I assess p4p status one of the things I do is decide who I would bet my money on in a fight if everything were even as far as size. At this moment I wouldn’t bet against Lomachenko and I’m a gambler!"

"Here is my top 10 P4P.

Terence Crawford

Vasyl Lomachenko ... "

???

I don't see anybody beating Lomachenko either.

Too bad Crawford moved up so far. I believe that's Loma's best challenge in boxing.

[siablo14]

ward whooped kovalev twice!.. it burns 🔥 i know.

you can downplay it all u want and call ward a cheater and blah blah.. but even kovalev wanted to train under virgil hunter to get tips from his master.

the history books will always remember kovalev as ward's step child. every thing he accomplishes from now on will only enhance ward's legacy.

Let 'em know. I can imagine daggum and boxinglogic letting out bloodcurling cries each time Ward won.

[aboutfkntime]

It was a miss by ward. You could even go so far as to say it was a duck.
After ward won the super 6, bute wanted to fight him. Ward said at the time that after going through the super 6, bute shouldn't just get the winner. I half agreed with ward at the time, but if froch won the tournament, he wudda jumped in with bute without a second thought

who the fk cares what Bute wanted ?

I want to fk Taylor Swift..... so what ?

1) Ward has fought MUCH more dangerous fighters than Bute

2) Ward said..... you have beaten NOBODY, fight someone with a pulse, and you can have that fight.....

and Ward was 100% correct..... Bute had beaten NOBODY, and he got destroyed the very first time he stepped up

the only person who could call that a duck, is seeing what he wants to see

it was definitely a miss

[harry-greb]

who the fk cares what Bute wanted ?

I want to fk Taylor Swift..... so what ?

1) Ward has fought MUCH more dangerous fighters than Bute

2) Ward said..... you have beaten NOBODY, fight someone with a pulse, and you can have that fight.....

and Ward was 100% correct..... Bute had beaten NOBODY, and he got destroyed the very first time he stepped up

the only person who could call that a duck, is seeing what he wants to see

it was definitely a miss

I thought I ran u outta town. Smoke gainer!!!!
Read my first sentence. It was a miss.
He shudda jumped in with bute and slapped the head off him, but he didn't. Froch did. Bute was the third best super middle at the time. He wasn't the 15th ranked fighter in the division.
A win over an undefeated dangerous bute would have looked good on wards record.

[Madison Boxing]

Chad Dawson was knocked out in sparring leading up to the Ward fight. And Edwin Rodriguez gets to be considered a "solid win" now? And Froch and old Kessler are Hall of Fame level wins? It's just crazy how far the bar gets lowered to accommodate these establishment star North American boxers. Then Breadman complains about the mentality of this era when he is one of the people to blame for that weak mentality (i.e. low bar) when he is constantly lowering the bar for the boxers he likes.

Keep the bar high across the board, and tell the truth these situations like that Andre Ward retired before attaining a single legitimate win against a prime undrained A-level boxer, same as Floyd did, and the old school mentality will come back to boxing. But keep lowering the bar for these guys, and this is what you get.

I mean, why would modern boxers go above and beyond to try to clear a high bar like the old school boxers did if you're going to give them just as much credit, and call them "All Time Greats," just because they cleared a very low bar by beating B-level and past prime opposition? If Breadman and the rest of the modern boxing media are going to induct you into the Hall of Fame just for fighting one B-level or C-level opponent per year, and then retiring with less than 35 fights (and most of those as a prospect against no hopers, so really no more than even 10-12 fights against even B-level guys your entire career), then why bother actually doing anything truly great when you will get all the credit for being great without having to go any of the trouble of proving it?

great post, would sent green k for that but it wont let me

[aboutfkntime]

I thought I ran u outta town. Smoke gainer!!!!
Read my first sentence. It was a miss.
He shudda jumped in with bute and slapped the head off him, but he didn't. Froch did. Bute was the third best super middle at the time. He wasn't the 15th ranked fighter in the division.
A win over an undefeated dangerous bute would have looked good on wards record.

correct !

but then you went full-****** and used the D word

maybe you thought that Bute was the third best middleweight on the planet..... but truth is, he was nowhere near top 5

Ward was 100% correct

but Bute was a miss, Ward should have taken that shine