Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Spence-Crawford, Lara-Hurd, GGG, More

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The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards tackling topics such as Errol Spence vs. Terence Crawford, Spence's big win over Lamont Peterson, the junior middleweight unification between Erislandy Lara and Jarrett Hurd, numerous mythical matchups and more.
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[Boxing Logic]

Chad Dawson was knocked out in sparring leading up to the Ward fight. And Edwin Rodriguez gets to be considered a "solid win" now? And Froch and old Kessler are Hall of Fame level wins? It's just crazy how far the bar gets lowered to accommodate these establishment star North American boxers. Then Breadman complains about the mentality of this era when he is one of the people to blame for that weak mentality (i.e. low bar) when he is constantly lowering the bar for the boxers he likes.

Keep the bar high across the board, and tell the truth these situations like that Andre Ward retired before attaining a single legitimate win against a prime undrained A-level boxer, same as Floyd did, and the old school mentality will come back to boxing. But keep lowering the bar for these guys, and this is what you get.

I mean, why would modern boxers go above and beyond to try to clear a high bar like the old school boxers did if you're going to give them just as much credit, and call them "All Time Greats," just because they cleared a very low bar by beating B-level and past prime opposition? If Breadman and the rest of the modern boxing media are going to induct you into the Hall of Fame just for fighting one B-level or C-level opponent per year, and then retiring with less than 35 fights (and most of those as a prospect against no hopers, so really no more than even 10-12 fights against even B-level guys your entire career), then why bother actually doing anything truly great when you will get all the credit for being great without having to go any of the trouble of proving it?

[yoshik]

In the first Ward Kovalev fight Kovalev won CLEANLY. Other than those boxing "experts" that call everyone who doesn't like their favorite fighter a "casual" saw the win for Kov. That was as bad a decision as Pac Man and Horn.

[yoshik]

Chad Dawson was knocked out in sparring leading up to the Ward fight. And Edwin Rodriguez gets to be considered a "solid win" now? And Froch and old Kessler are Hall of Fame level wins? It's just crazy how far the bar gets lowered to accommodate these establishment star North American boxers. Then Breadman complains about the mentality of this era when he is one of the people to blame for that weak mentality (i.e. low bar) when he is constantly lowering the bar for the boxers he likes.

Keep the bar high across the board, and tell the truth these situations like that Andre Ward retired before attaining a single legitimate win against a prime undrained A-level boxer, same as Floyd did, and the old school mentality will come back to boxing. But keep lowering the bar for these guys, and this is what you get.

I mean, why would modern boxers go above and beyond to try to clear a high bar like the old school boxers did if you're going to give them just as much credit, and call them "All Time Greats," just because they cleared a very low bar by beating B-level and past prime opposition? If Breadman and the rest of the modern boxing media are going to induct you into the Hall of Fame just for fighting one B-level or C-level opponent per year, and then retiring with less than 35 fights (and most of those as a prospect against no hopers, so really no more than even 10-12 fights against even B-level guys your entire career), then why bother actually doing anything truly great when you will get all the credit for being great without having to go any of the trouble of proving it?

I completely agree. See my comment. The first Ward Kov fight Kov won cleanly. It was as bad of a decision as Pac Man Horn. Fighters today are Divas but that's ok, the sanctioning bodies just create a worthless belt like WBC Silver or some **** to generate sanctioning fees and reward B level fighters. Wilder, Thurman, Ward and Stevenson should have been fined for inactivity. Stevenson should have to give up his one "linear" (LOL!!) title belt. He is a disgrace. And the "fans" these days are grandstanders for their favorite fighter and not boxing. Where the hell does anybody get to call a fan a "casual?" I've judged more pro fights than most of those people on these threads. Infact I know I have judged more pro fights than those that are berating and calling other fans "casuals." Boxing today, as well as the fans, is nowhere near what it was in the 80s and 90s and the fans today know less about the sport and don't recognize real talent when they see it.

[HarvardBlue]

Another great article. I agree with most of what he said.

I like how he's able to break things down into simple thoughts to make his point.

People are still trying to discredit Ward. LOL.

[Fire4231]

Great Mail bag Bread. You killed it. However I would say Ward couldn’t have ducked Bute. Bute wasn’t in the Super Six so the fight couldn’t happen. Bute fought Froch right after Andre Ward beat Froch. Froch beat Bute and it forced him up to Light Heavy. Ward fought Dawson which was the biggest fight at the time. Especially since Dawson looked to be too much for BHop. Ward was too new of a contender before the Super Six and who was Bute at the time? He really surfaced under protection of not being a Super Six Guy. Let’s just say your P4P requires a few explanations. Not sure why Chocolotito is still giving so much juice to Shrisakett?

[kafkod]

"Errol is a tremendous talent but I don’t rate him over Vasyl Lomachenko. If everyone was the same size I don’t know if anyone could beat Lomachenko. He’s like a weird type of good in my opinion. When I assess p4p status one of the things I do is decide who I would bet my money on in a fight if everything were even as far as size. At this moment I wouldn’t bet against Lomachenko and I’m a gambler!"

"Here is my top 10 P4P.

Terence Crawford

Vasyl Lomachenko ... "

???

[Fire4231]

[QUOTE=Boxing Logic;18452298]Chad Dawson was knocked out in sparring leading up to the Ward fight. And Edwin Rodriguez gets to be considered a "solid win" now? And Froch and old Kessler are Hall of Fame level wins? It's just crazy how far the bar gets lowered to accommodate these establishment star North American boxers. Then Breadman complains about the mentality of this era when he is one of the people to blame for that weak mentality (i.e. low bar) when he is constantly lowering the bar for the boxers he likes.

Keep the bar high across the board, and tell the truth these situations like that Andre Ward retired before attaining a single legitimate win against a prime undrained A-level boxer, same as Floyd did, and the old school mentality will come back to boxing. But keep lowering the bar for these guys, and this is what you get.

I mean, why would modern boxers go above and beyond to try to clear a high bar like the old school boxers did if you're going to give them just as much credit, and call them "All Time Greats," just because they cleared a very low bar by beating B-level and past prime opposition? If Breadman and the rest of the modern boxing media are going to induct you into the Hall of Fame just for fighting one B-level or C-level opponent per year, and then retiring with less than 35 fights (and most of those as a prospect against no hopers, so really no more than even 10-12 fights against even B-level guys your entire career), then why bother actually doing anything truly great when you will get all the credit for being great without having to go any of the trouble of proving it? [/QUOTE

Boxing Logic - Boxing Logic must be what you are questing for? It’s like you said what is the most delusional thing I could possibly write and surpassed your own freakishly high expectation. Nothing else to say just refer back to Breads take on Andre Wards career for truth. If Ward and Mayweather fought B/C Level fighters, who were the A level fighters at the time? Bro this is anything but logical.

[Shadoww702]

Another GREAT read as always...


Gonna call out the quitters and actors

Dirrell
Walters
Rig.

Dont want to see any of them fight again. And in that order!

[anonymous2.0]

I disagree that Ward missed Bute. Bute got absolutely mauled by Froch shortly after the Super 6 so I do't really consider that a missed fight by Ward.