Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Spence-Crawford, Lara-Hurd, GGG, More

[kafkod]

I disagree that Ward missed Bute. Bute got absolutely mauled by Froch shortly after the Super 6 so I do't really consider that a missed fight by Ward.

But it could have been Ward who mauled Bute and took his undefeated record instead of Froch, which would have made Ward's legacy seem greater. That's what Bread is saying.

[Butch.McRae]

Another stellar write up. The best thing on this site. Keep it coming.

[soul_survivor]

In the first Ward Kovalev fight Kovalev won CLEANLY. Other than those boxing "experts" that call everyone who doesn't like their favorite fighter a "casual" saw the win for Kov. That was as bad a decision as Pac Man and Horn.

I have to agree with this. I mean almost 90%of those scoring the fight from genuine boxing and sport publications /websites had it for kovalev. Most by a margin of 2-3 rounds.

Its difficult to get more comprehensive than that. The problem is, the American boxing media has retconned that fight. From the moment HBO ran their programming for the rematch, they pushed the lie that the fight was competitive and Ward somehow came back.

They featured interviews from the tiny percentage who saw it that way and ignored the rest. They also retconned what they themselves had said and edited the videos to make the highlights seem as competitive as possible.

Sadly that is the nature of American boxing.

[Shadoww702]

"Errol is a tremendous talent but I don’t rate him over Vasyl Lomachenko. If everyone was the same size I don’t know if anyone could beat Lomachenko. He’s like a weird type of good in my opinion. When I assess p4p status one of the things I do is decide who I would bet my money on in a fight if everything were even as far as size. At this moment I wouldn’t bet against Lomachenko and I’m a gambler!"

"Here is my top 10 P4P.

Terence Crawford

Vasyl Lomachenko ... "

???

??? Doesn't Loma already have a loss??? So someone has already shown he can be beat...

[Shadoww702]

I have to agree with this. I mean almost 90%of those scoring the fight from genuine boxing and sport publications /websites had it for kovalev. Most by a margin of 2-3 rounds.

Its difficult to get more comprehensive than that. The problem is, the American boxing media has retconned that fight. From the moment HBO ran their programming for the rematch, they pushed the lie that the fight was competitive and Ward somehow came back.

They featured interviews from the tiny percentage who saw it that way and ignored the rest. They also retconned what they themselves had said and edited the videos to make the highlights seem as competitive as possible.

Sadly that is the nature of American boxing.

Im a Ward fan and he lost the 1st fight 115-112.

[soul_survivor]

Im a Ward fan and he lost the 1st fight 115-112.

This was probably the most common score for the fight. Hbos retconning of the fight is hilarious.

[future hendrixx]

Chad Dawson was knocked out in sparring leading up to the Ward fight. And Edwin Rodriguez gets to be considered a "solid win" now? And Froch and old Kessler are Hall of Fame level wins? It's just crazy how far the bar gets lowered to accommodate these establishment star North American boxers. Then Breadman complains about the mentality of this era when he is one of the people to blame for that weak mentality (i.e. low bar) when he is constantly lowering the bar for the boxers he likes.

Keep the bar high across the board, and tell the truth these situations like that Andre Ward retired before attaining a single legitimate win against a prime undrained A-level boxer, same as Floyd did, and the old school mentality will come back to boxing. But keep lowering the bar for these guys, and this is what you get.

I mean, why would modern boxers go above and beyond to try to clear a high bar like the old school boxers did if you're going to give them just as much credit, and call them "All Time Greats," just because they cleared a very low bar by beating B-level and past prime opposition? If Breadman and the rest of the modern boxing media are going to induct you into the Hall of Fame just for fighting one B-level or C-level opponent per year, and then retiring with less than 35 fights (and most of those as a prospect against no hopers, so really no more than even 10-12 fights against even B-level guys your entire career), then why bother actually doing anything truly great when you will get all the credit for being great without having to go any of the trouble of proving it?

you seem to rate ward very low. but had kovalev gotten the decision against him and then stopped him in a rematch you would rate kovalev as an ATG.

shut yo delusional hating azz up!

ward ruined your life by exposing little g as a hypocritical coward and then beating the vodka out of kovalev.

u seem to downplay it because you still have nightmares. look at your sig. your blood boils with hatred.

ward is so overrated that kovalev even considered training under virgil hunter to learn alongside the master that conquered him!

kovalev himself disagrees with you.

and u love talking about gifts and judges but I bet you have no problem when kovalev won a split decision over boone in 2010 even though he was dropped twice! you love those judges dont you.

change ur name to "Boxing Flunky" .. theres nothing logical about none of your rants.

[Fists_of_Fury]

Ward an ATG...











Maybe at fouling and getting away with it. He is certainly in the league of Hopkins and Holyfield in that regard.

[kafkod]

??? Doesn't Loma already have a loss??? So someone has already shown he can be beat...

I presume Bread is talking about Loma as he is now, not how he was in his 2nd pro fight.

I have no problem with anybody rating Crawford P4P No1. But Bread says he wouldn't rate anybody over Loma .. then rates Crawford over him, which seems weird to me.

[Shadoww702]

I presume Bread is talking about Loma as he is now, not how he was in his 2nd pro fight.

I have no problem with anybody rating Crawford P4P No1. But Bread says he wouldn't rate anybody over Loma .. then rates Crawford over him, which seems weird to me.

I know I was just messing with you.

I have Loma P4P #1 because he made another P4Per QUIT!!!

Has even Floyd scared to let top #3 Jr. LW Gervonta Davis anywhere NEAR him.

And made Russell Jr. Look silly in only his 3rd fight


Ggg cant make #1 because he looks human against Canelo and Jacobs.

Crawford's best win is Postol and Gamboa.

Spence still ways away.