Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Spence-Crawford, Lara-Hurd, GGG, More

[aboutfkntime]

Chad Dawson was knocked out in sparring leading up to the Ward fight. And Edwin Rodriguez gets to be considered a "solid win" now? And Froch and old Kessler are Hall of Fame level wins? It's just crazy how far the bar gets lowered to accommodate these establishment star North American boxers. Then Breadman complains about the mentality of this era when he is one of the people to blame for that weak mentality (i.e. low bar) when he is constantly lowering the bar for the boxers he likes.

Keep the bar high across the board, and tell the truth these situations like that Andre Ward retired before attaining a single legitimate win against a prime undrained A-level boxer, same as Floyd did, and the old school mentality will come back to boxing. But keep lowering the bar for these guys, and this is what you get.

I mean, why would modern boxers go above and beyond to try to clear a high bar like the old school boxers did if you're going to give them just as much credit, and call them "All Time Greats," just because they cleared a very low bar by beating B-level and past prime opposition? If Breadman and the rest of the modern boxing media are going to induct you into the Hall of Fame just for fighting one B-level or C-level opponent per year, and then retiring with less than 35 fights (and most of those as a prospect against no hopers, so really no more than even 10-12 fights against even B-level guys your entire career), then why bother actually doing anything truly great when you will get all the credit for being great without having to go any of the trouble of proving it?

cry b1tch

Ward > lil'G

because..... that is why you commented, right ?

[aboutfkntime]

Great Mail bag Bread. You killed it. However I would say Ward couldn’t have ducked Bute. Bute wasn’t in the Super Six so the fight couldn’t happen. Bute fought Froch right after Andre Ward beat Froch. Froch beat Bute and it forced him up to Light Heavy. Ward fought Dawson which was the biggest fight at the time. Especially since Dawson looked to be too much for BHop. Ward was too new of a contender before the Super Six and who was Bute at the time? He really surfaced under protection of not being a Super Six Guy. Let’s just say your P4P requires a few explanations. Not sure why Chocolotito is still giving so much juice to Shrisakett?

I am a Ward guy......

but, Bute fought Froch because Ward passed on that fight

Ward said words to the effect..... who the fk are you? beat someone with a pulse, and you can have that fight

so..... Bute tried to beat someone with a pulse

YES, if Bute had beaten Froch, Ward would obviously have fought him

YES, Ward would have beaten Bute

but, Ward passed on that fight..... no question

I agree with bread..... it is the only question mark that Ward left on the table

no big deal, because..... 1) Ward fought everyone else, including boogiemen who were much better fighters than Bute..... 2) had Bute beaten Froch, he would have gotten that fight..... 3) Ward was 100% correct. Bute had not earned the right to demand anything, and had no notable wins at that point

[aboutfkntime]

I disagree that Ward missed Bute. Bute got absolutely mauled by Froch shortly after the Super 6 so I do't really consider that a missed fight by Ward.

it was a miss, but not a duck

simply because..... Ward had that option, and passed

Ward could have fought Bute before Lucian faced Froch, but Andre passed on that fight..... he gave two good reasons why, and he was proven correct on both

it is obviously not a duck

[aboutfkntime]

You know what .. I remember now Bread once saying that he doesn't give any order to his P4P lists because it's impossible to rate fighters in different divisions so exactly.

I forgot about that ... but yeah, it makes sense now.

I agreed with your first take

but yea.... good point, and fair call.... that makes sense now

[aboutfkntime]

Ward did not duck Bute... but he did pass on that fight

did Ward miss an opportunity..... ?

YES..... but the Froch DESTRUCTION of Bute sure did make Ward's win over the cobra look more impressive in hindsight

if Bute had beaten Froch, could that have created a stain on Ward's legacy?

no, because Ward would obviously have fought Bute next, had he beaten Froch

it is what it is.....

an opportunity to further build on his impressive legacy, that nobody really cares about now in hindsight

[daggum]

this breadman sounds like the ward fanboys on here. pretending beating dawson and getting gift decisions make him a great fighter...what? pretending he was the under dog when he had every fight at home where he cheated come on now. his mind processes faster hmmm yea that must be it...thats why kovalev completely outboxed him what happened to his fast brain? hes just more of a cheater than anyone else. when he couldnt compete with them he just held and fouled

[Feint First]

Ward doesn't get nearly enough credit for how easily he handled Barrera, a huge 175 pounder, while moving up in weight. That's his 3rd or 4th best win behind Kovalev, Froch, and maybe Kessler.

Barrera's been a beast since losing to Ward. Destroyed Shabranskyy as an underdog, damn near stopped Joe Smith as an underdog who was coming off a lot of momentum with KO's of Fonfara and B-Hop. Barrera's got the best recent resume in the division other than Kovalev. After he pulls off another upset vs hypejob Bivol, Ward's ATG credentials will be strengthened even more.

And Breadman didn't even mention Bika, a former 168 titlist and a very tough out. Bika is a better W on Ward's resume than Rodriguez or Miranda.

[StephenM]

Terrific mailbag. Comments... Meh.

[Bjl12]

In the first Ward Kovalev fight Kovalev won CLEANLY. Other than those boxing "experts" that call everyone who doesn't like their favorite fighter a "casual" saw the win for Kov. That was as bad a decision as Pac Man and Horn.

Yeah I agree. Kovalev DID edge Ward and the Horn decision was gross.

115-113??? Horn won HUGE. 116-112 or 117-111 for the teacher EASY.

[Bjl12]

"I see fighters at 147 trying to be Spence’s buddy so they don’t have to fight him."

I like this obvious shot at shawn porter. hes tryin real hard to be BFF with spence. its pathetic.

Lmfao...How do you keep calling out fighter A and B (Danny and Keith) at 147, but want nothing to do with fighter C (Errol)...and all these fighters are in the same weight class...

Pathetic.