Lets examine the momentum of Wilder's last 2 opponents

[Eff Pandas]

Who is better than 38 year old Stiverne and Ortiz right now? who has actually fought in competitive fights in the last 3 years, in the WBC top 15 alone ..... Whyte, Breazeale, Bellew, Pulev, Takam, Browne, Chisora, Fury.....I'd pick every one of those to do Stiverne and give Ortiz a good go......and they are ALL more deserving.

Whyte is garbage. Idk how that guy is so adored by UK fans (cuz it does seem to be almost exclusively UK fans big upping him almost 100% cuz he landed a good shot on Joshua & lil else it seems to me).

Breazeale is entertaining, but Breazeale has done about as much as Whyte (maybe more minus hurt Joshua obviously as that was just kinda a sh^tshow for Breazeale) & has looked worse losing & lucked out more in some of his W's.

Bellew is/was cashing out vs Haye (although it worked out a whole lot better than the standard cashout I'll give him that). I don't see him as in play.

Pulev is legit. I've been saying Wilder should fight him for over a year. I think he was playing for the Joshua fight doe so idk if he was legit in play either.

Takam. LOL.

Browne is garbage & wasn't he in some maybe, maybe not suspended drug issue awhile back. It worked out in his favor iirc, but I don't think it was always looking like it was going to go that way.

Chisora is hot garbage. Come the f#ck on man.

And Fury, who I'm a huge fan of, hasn't even fought since 2015. And has had some weird a$$ suspension or non-suspension thing with the UK boxing people & I think he just got cleared a week or two ago. When the f#ck & how the f#ck was Wilder vs Fury supposed to fight this year or hell even in 2016 or 2017 with all that bs going on.

Come on man. Think about this stuff. There is no one standing out & even if I think Ortiz is bs the reality is he's the most hyped non-title holder in the HW divisions right now...and Wilder is fighting him next.

[yankees7448]

I can name over 5 that are more deserving and active/not 38. GTFO you casual.

If you think Ortiz is any good you haven't been paying attention, he has never fought any one and has looked like sheat for 3 years.

Then name them.

[Vinnykin]

LOL why so serious bro. Joker.jpg

I'm making light cuz lets be legit. Takam being a legit top ten guy says EVERYTHING about the HW division we need to know for this discussion. Thats not to even get into his skills or lack there of or his resume or nothing. I'm just saying this guy, Takam, is a legit top ten guy & we are talking about all the guys Wilder shoulda been fighting lately like that changes a mfing thing with him in most peoples eyes????

Between this & the BJS stuff we got into earlier you definitely lean strongly towards the naive side with boxing related matters.

HW is a garbage division. Its fun, but there isn't a lot going on here. As long as you are fighting solid top 15-ish guys I think its hard to legit break anyone's balls.

And I say this as a cat who was breaking Wilder's balls when he was fighting guys underneath the last guy & the next guy.

top 10 guys is a loose term, can you name me ranked 7-10 that was world class in ANY division..... you are lucky if you have 2 or 3 world class and 1 elite in the top 10.

seriously, I get you are trying to make fun after our earlier disagreement, but lets not make out highly skilled boxers to be **** when there are guys like Lemioux running around that people think are top 5 in the MW division.

Takam has more skills than AJ, but he was not in his prime and could not overcome the height and reach disadvantage, he is usually a come-forward boxer/puncher but had to go backfoot against AJ, not his game. The fact he done this tells me he is a good boxer.

Like I said, If you think Takam is not in the top 10 most skilled HW's in the world of the last 5 years...... I will disagree with you severely.

[Vinnykin]

Name whom Wilder should fight now as an alternative.

How many times are we going to over this with Wilder?

go and fight the highest ranked and active fighter in the WBC top 15!!!!

[jmrf4435]

Wilder has the worst resume amount of the elite heavyweights by far.

At this point spillka is his best win............wjho's a cruiserweight

[Vinnykin]

Whyte is garbage. Idk how that guy is so adored by UK fans (cuz it does seem to be almost exclusively UK fans big upping him almost 100% cuz he landed a good shot on Joshua & lil else it seems to me).

Breazeale is entertaining, but Breazeale has done about as much as Whyte (maybe more minus hurt Joshua obviously as that was just kinda a sh^tshow for Breazeale) & has looked worse losing & lucked out more in some of his W's.

Bellew is/was cashing out vs Haye (although it worked out a whole lot better than the standard cashout I'll give him that). I don't see him as in play.

Pulev is legit. I've been saying Wilder should fight him for over a year. I think he was playing for the Joshua fight doe so idk if he was legit in play either.

Takam. LOL.

Browne is garbage & wasn't he in some maybe, maybe not suspended drug issue awhile back. It worked out in his favor iirc, but I don't think it was always looking like it was going to go that way.

Chisora is hot garbage. Come the f#ck on man.

And Fury, who I'm a huge fan of, hasn't even fought since 2015. And has had some weird a$$ suspension or non-suspension thing with the UK boxing people & I think he just got cleared a week or two ago. When the f#ck & how the f#ck was Wilder vs Fury supposed to fight this year or hell even in 2016 or 2017 with all that bs going on.

Come on man. Think about this stuff. There is no one standing out & even if I think Ortiz is bs the reality is he's the most hyped non-title holder in the HW divisions right now...and Wilder is fighting him next.

yeah **** all those guys that are taking challenges and fighting legit opponents, lets just go with an old man who hasn't fought ANY good fighters and who has a reputation.

I used to think you were a sensible poster, I nearly always agreed with your stance, but this is just BS from you.

Do you think Ortiz and Stiverne are more deserving than legit, active fighters who are having proper fights?

[juggernaut666]

Ok, Whyte, Pulev, Breazeale, Bellew, Takam, Fury......all active and more deserving than Ortiz, have fought at a higher level and been active. Are you saying you wouldn't be pissed off if you were any of those fighters and old man Ortiz jumps in front after not having a fight in 3 years lol

Your subjective opinion on what Parker does better than Ortiz means FA to me, In fact I'll give you a list of things Parker has over Ortiz:

Youth
Stamina (proven)
fighting on the backfoot
lateral movement
athleticism
jab (proven)
has fought better opponents
has been pushed in fights and came through
isn't 60 years old

easy isn't it.

You have used subjective and pure speculation as to what Ortiz does better........ SHOW ME THE FIGHT THAT PROVES ORTIZ IS BETTER THAN PARKER IN ALL THOSE AREAS...... you can't can you? he has fought Allen, Scott and my dad in the last 2 years and has looked WORSE than Parker in EVERY area!

are you kidding me right now? are you seriously saying Ortiz has looked better than Parker in the last 3 years lol

1.Stamina is subjective . Parker himself has too lose weight bc he cannot function at full potential , K.Barry even admits that .

2 .He has a open defense flaw ,punches knock stamina out of you . Its unproven if stamina would favor Parker . What fight have you seen Ortiz gas ? Ive seen Parker take rounds off vs Taksm after high punch counts and against Razvan.

3 .Parkers fighting on the backfoot would only pin him against the ropes where he always ends up . He has very poor ring generalship with aggressive fighters that press him.

4 .Athletism cant be used to your advantage if you cant out box your opposition first ....UNLESS you are able to keep distance . Go find me a Parker fight he does this in the last 3 years .


5 .The jab is proven ,unfortunatley Ortiz has a better one along with 84 inches of reach and great intuition to smother jabs from the southpaw stance .

6.Parker squeeked by Takam ( less effective HW )than Ortiz ,hes actually borderline too short bc he foes not have punching power ,he is solid but a top 10 fighter ? Not with me .

7.Parker has squeeked by Hughie . Whos southpaw stance was causeing Parker fits . Maybe you missed Parker only landing 6 clear power punches by mid rnd ? What do you think Ortiz would have done instead of pillow fists ?

8. Prove Ortiz is 60?

9. Better yet prove Ortiz would lose to anyone Parker fought including Ruiz ? lol The fight many thought he lost incuding Takam and Hughie . What drugs are you on if you think these fights give Parker a better showing ?

10. See this is very easy .


Still waiting on that GUY you want to fight Wilder ...come on now man up ...dont go posting a list with a vague reason of they DESERVE it more . I KNOW Ortiz brings a better fight , i KNOW we are getting a better fight with the opponents that are available

[Jewish-Reptile]

Duhaupas is his best win, a solid top ten win.

[N/A]

Stiverne was 38 years old, was never any good to begin with, and had one poor performance vs Rossy after the Wilder loss.....and was somehow the WBC mandatory!???

He was mandatory because Povetkin failed another drug test when they were scheduled to meet in an eliminator. Stiverne was in the eliminator because after dropping to #5 after losing the championship, everyone in front of him lost or retired.

Ortiz looked good, 3 years ago!

The world's leading experts had Ortiz ranked higher than Wilder until Ortiz failed another test last year. So a few months later we're supposed to pretend Ortiz sucks because Wilder agreed to fight him? But before, we were supposed to pretend Wilder was scared of Ortiz and never intended to fight him? Which is it?

This is such a great example of how full of **** the haters are. If Wilder doesn't fight someone, that guy is a monster Wilder is afraid of. If Wilder calls their bluff, suddenly that monster is a bum. Hilarious.

[Eff Pandas]

top 10 guys is a loose term, can you name me ranked 7-10 that was world class in ANY division..... you are lucky if you have 2 or 3 world class and 1 elite in the top 10.

Well this is where we have a massive difference of opinion. I consider world class & elite as basically the same thing & I think in most divisions the top 10 to 20 guys are world class. In divisions with 1000-1500 fighters (which I believe is almost all of them) being in the top 1%-ish of the division = world class/elite to me.

I know most cats disagree with me on this, but I believe it to be reasonable as f#ck & I think most boxing fans are too fast to call the 8th best fighter in a division a bum & far too critical of boxers not in the top 3, top 5 of a division.

seriously, I get you are trying to make fun after our earlier disagreement, but lets not make out highly skilled boxers to be **** when there are guys like Lemioux running around that people think are top 5 in the MW division.

Takam has more skills than AJ, but he was not in his prime and could not overcome the height and reach disadvantage, he is usually a come-forward boxer/puncher but had to go backfoot against AJ, not his game. The fact he done this tells me he is a good boxer.

I think Takam is a "good boxer" in theory more than provability. He's got probably the most manufactured overall resumes in the division, including Wilder, & he's 1-3-1 vs his step up opponents with his only W coming vs grandpa Tony Thompson.

Like I said, If you think Takam is not in the top 10 most skilled HW's in the world of the last 5 years...... I will disagree with you severely.

Again like I said he may look good to you, but the proof is in the pudding as they say & he's beaten Tony Thompson & thats it. How good is Malik Scott? How good is Mr. Luis Ortiz? They beat Thompson too.