Lets examine the momentum of Wilder's last 2 opponents

[Vinnykin]

1.Stamina is subjective . Parker himself has too lose weight bc he cannot function at full potential , K.Barry even admits that .

2 .He has a open defense flaw ,punches knock stamina out of you . Its unproven if stamina would favor Parker . What fight have you seen Ortiz gas ? Ive seen Parker take rounds off vs Taksm after high punch counts and against Razvan.

3 .Parkers fighting on thebackfoot would only pin him against the ropes wherehe always ends up . He has very poor ring generalship with aggressive fighters that press him.

4 .Athletism cant be used to your advantage if you cant out box your opposition first ....UNLESS you are able to keep distance . Gofind me a Parker fight he does this in the last 3 years .


5 .The jab is proven ,unfortunatley Ortiz has a better one along with 84 inches of reach .

6.Parker squeeked by Takam ( less effective HW )than Ortiz ,hes actually borderline too short bc he foes not have punching power .

7.Parker has squeeked by Hughie . Whos southpaw stance was causeing Parker fits . Maybe you missed Parker only landing 6 clear power punches by mid rnd ? What do you think Ortiz would have fone instead of pillow fists ?

8. Prove Ortiz is 60?

9. Better yet prove Ortiz would lose to anyone Parker fought including Ruiz ? lol The fight many thought he lost incuding Takam and Hughie . What drugs are you on if you think these fights give Parker a better showing ?

10. See this is very easy .


Still waiting on that GUY you want to fight Wilder ...come on now man up ...dont go posting a list with a vague reason of they DESERVE it more . I KNOW Ortiz brings a better fight , i KNOW we are getting a better fight with the opponents that are available

1. Barry said that yes, he is better lighter, but he has had NO problems with stamina ever.....using a quote to fit you argument.
2.Parker has shown stamina in later rounds, Ortiz has not.
3.he can still land when going backwards, and can slip punches on the ropes. (all skills needed and not shown by other HW's)
4. Parker can move the best, bend his body, move his head and is the most athletic and balanced of the HW champions. you proved nothing here lol
5.Parker has proven his jab at world level, Ortiz is old and has not....did I mention he was old? oh, and he hasn't fought any one to judge the jab on......and he's old.
6. Parker was young and Takam was a good learning fight for him, no shame in having a close fight with Takam, ask Povetkin and AJ.
7. I would bet on Fury doing that to EVERY HW in the division, he is the best defensive boxer by a mile, wakward, and would make Wilder and AJ look just as bad if not worse.
8. Prove ortiz is 38, he looks older and even slower than 41 year old Klitshcko. I think Klit would beat him now. at least he has fought at a high level in the last 10 months.
9.I'd wager Fury, Takam and Ruiz would beat Ortiz now, yes, Ortiz is ****, I've seen him box u close vs Allen, he is 70 years old

[Eff Pandas]

yeah **** all those guys that are taking challenges and fighting legit opponents, lets just go with an old man who hasn't fought ANY good fighters and who has a reputation.

What challenge has Whyte taken? Chisora????? Chisora is on fumes & phoning it in largely. If Wilder fights Chisora he's cherry picking.

If Wilder fights that Izo guy Breazeale fought everyone is saying who the fook is that guy.

If Wilder fights some of the cats Pulev has been fighting since his last title fight to "earn" another title fight he gets sh^t on worse then he was for fighting the guys he was fighting pre-Bermane & Ortiz.

And I could go on.

I used to think you were a sensible poster, I nearly always agreed with your stance, but this is just BS from you.

Whats crazy about saying HW isn't a deep division? Its just not if you look at the division. Big Baby Miller is a legit top ten guy right now & I'm not sure that guy could beat a elderly turtle in a race.

And obviously I'm being hyper critical cuz you're being hyper critical about Ortiz & Bermane when what is at HW thats better reallllllllly? Honestllllllllllly whats better? Bermane is probably the best possible opponent to fill in for Povetkin & Ortiz is the most hyped guy at HW w/o a title right now.

Do you think Ortiz and Stiverne are more deserving than legit, active fighters who are having proper fights?

Who the eff are those "active fighters with proper fights" doe? Not the guys you mentioned thats for sure (well except Pulev but as mentioned he seemed like he was aimed at Joshua & rightfully so thats the better money).

[Vinnykin]

He was mandatory because Povetkin failed another drug test when they were scheduled to meet in an eliminator. Stiverne was in the eliminator because after dropping to #5 after losing the championship, everyone in front of him lost or retired.




The world's leading experts had Ortiz ranked higher than Wilder until Ortiz failed another test last year. So a few months later we're supposed to pretend Ortiz sucks because Wilder agreed to fight him? But before, we were supposed to pretend Wilder was scared of Ortiz and never intended to fight him? Which is it?

This is such a great example of how full of **** the haters are. If Wilder doesn't fight someone, that guy is a monster Wilder is afraid of. If Wilder calls their bluff, suddenly that monster is a bum. Hilarious.

What experts exactly? I want names because Ortiz hasn't fought in 3 years against any one in the top 15.....

I don't care about rankings or ABC titles. The WBC had Stiverne as champion before Wilder, so that should tell you everything.

Tell me who were the best HW's in 2015, and tell me who Wilder has beat..... I dont are about rankings, experts or ****, it's all BS. rankings are BS, tell me who Wilder beat that was at the top of his game?

[Vinnykin]

What challenge has Whyte taken? Chisora????? Chisora is on fumes & phoning it in largely. If Wilder fights Chisora he's cherry picking.

If Wilder fights that Izo guy Breazeale fought everyone is saying who the fook is that guy.

If Wilder fights some of the cats Pulev has been fighting since his last title fight to "earn" another title fight he gets sh^t on worse then he was for fighting the guys he was fighting pre-Bermane & Ortiz.

And I could go on.



Whats crazy about saying HW isn't a deep division? Its just not if you look at the division. Big Baby Miller is a legit top ten guy right now & I'm not sure that guy could beat a elderly turtle in a race.

And obviously I'm being hyper critical cuz you're being hyper critical about Ortiz & Bermane when what is at HW thats better reallllllllly? Honestllllllllllly whats better? Bermane is probably the best possible opponent to fill in for Povetkin & Ortiz is the most hyped guy at HW w/o a title right now.



Who the eff are those "active fighters with proper fights" doe? Not the guys you mentioned thats for sure (well except Pulev but as mentioned he seemed like he was aimed at Joshua & rightfully so thats the better money).

The fact is that both Stiverne and Ortiz are protected and haven't fought a legit opponent, and now Wilder is fighting thm back-to-back.

I don't care 2 ****s if you think Ortiz is better than Parker, Whyte, Breazeale or any of the other guys, the fact is that he is NOT proven or has even earned his chance, and they are not grinding like the other guys!

Whyte and chisora are WAY more deserving than these guys, you got guys taking tough fights at their level against other contenders. Whyte just beat former top 10 Helenius and is away to fight former WBA regular Browne....after that fight he has a better CV than Wilder.....he's fought fcuking Joshua, Chisora, Helenius and Browne!

how you can't see this is beyond me. Ortiz is old and finished as a boxer, face facts, it's not 2106 man.

[N/A]

What experts exactly? I want names because Ortiz hasn't fought in 3 years against any one in the top 15.....

http://www.tbrb.org/2017/10/17/10-october-2017/

The independent TBRB ratings, started by the members of the Ring Magazine ratings advisory board after Golden Boy was caught interfering with the Ring ratings, had Ortiz above Wilder when they were scheduled to fight.

http://www.iboboxing.com/rankings/heavy.html

The independent computerized IBO ratings have Ortiz #2 in the world right now.

Wilder called out AJ. AJ's team said "not next, but later in the year." Wilder said okay and then signed to fight the #2 heavyweight in the world. But some people are still ****ting on Wilder. It just shows the double standard and the hatred. It's never been more obvious.

tell me who Wilder beat that was at the top of his game?

The first time Wilder beat Stiverne, Stiverne was #2 or #3 in all of the most respected ratings. You're trying to rewrite history. Stiverne was considered one of the best heavyweights in the world when Wilder shut him out.

[Vinnykin]

http://www.tbrb.org/2017/10/17/10-october-2017/

The independent TBRB ratings, started by the members of the Ring Magazine ratings advisory board after Golden Boy was caught interfering with the Ring ratings, had Ortiz above Wilder when they were scheduled to fight.

http://www.iboboxing.com/rankings/heavy.html

The independent computerized IBO ratings have Ortiz #2 in the world right now.

Wilder called out AJ. AJ's team said "not next, but later in the year." Wilder said okay and then signed to fight the #2 heavyweight in the world. But some people are still ****ting on Wilder. It just shows the double standard and the hatred. It's never been more obvious.




The first time Wilder beat Stiverne, Stiverne was #2 or #3 in all of the most respected ratings. You're trying to rewrite history. Stiverne was considered one of the best heavyweights in the world when Wilder shut him out.

Oh dear, I was trying to inform you that those so called experts are not the be all and end all of boxing, never mind, lets begin.

1. the ring magazine still have TF as their lineal HW champion, and he hasn't fought since 2015. So, that same magazine has Fury as 1 after he has become obese, taken drugs etc etc #experts
2.IBO?
3.Ortiz is not the no.2 HW in the world, in fact, he hasn't fought in over a year and cam back against some guy I never heard of and lasted 200 seconds. Ortiz has not fought in a competitive fight in 3 YEARS!!!!

explain to me how Ortiz is 38, has not fought in 3 years and is still the no.2 HW in the world in the experts eyes......you know who is an expert? me, because I can see through BS like you and the WBC rankings, I can see why Stiverne and ortiz shoudl not even be in the top 10 never mind the top 2 or 3, but we have fanboys like YOU backing them up so they get away with it. GG

[N/A]

1. the ring magazine still have TF as their lineal HW champion, and he hasn't fought since 2015. So, that same magazine has Fury as 1 after he has become obese, taken drugs etc etc #experts

Ring Magazine is owned by HBO's lead promoter and is used as a propaganda war mechanism. Ring ratings are completely corrupt as is their championship policy and should never be cited as credible or independent. However, TBRB is a reputable replacement as it was founded by the Ring Ratings Advisory Board members who quit in disgust when Golden Boy began interfering.

If Ring followed their own rules, Fury would have been stripped years ago. However, he remains "Ring champion" to prevent Showtime from crowning a new lineal champion in the eyes of those who don't realize the Ring title should no longer be viewed as a reputable championship.

2.IBO?

The IBO championship may not be recognized, but that doesn't change the fact that their independent and unbiased computerized rankings are still very useful as the IBO pays for the rights to publish rankings using the original computerized formula that pre-dates the IBO and has been used by television networks for decades to determine the real ranking of a fighter.

[Vinnykin]

What challenge has Whyte taken? Chisora????? Chisora is on fumes & phoning it in largely. If Wilder fights Chisora he's cherry picking.

If Wilder fights that Izo guy Breazeale fought everyone is saying who the fook is that guy.

If Wilder fights some of the cats Pulev has been fighting since his last title fight to "earn" another title fight he gets sh^t on worse then he was for fighting the guys he was fighting pre-Bermane & Ortiz.

And I could go on.



Whats crazy about saying HW isn't a deep division? Its just not if you look at the division. Big Baby Miller is a legit top ten guy right now & I'm not sure that guy could beat a elderly turtle in a race.

And obviously I'm being hyper critical cuz you're being hyper critical about Ortiz & Bermane when what is at HW thats better reallllllllly? Honestllllllllllly whats better? Bermane is probably the best possible opponent to fill in for Povetkin & Ortiz is the most hyped guy at HW w/o a title right now.



Who the eff are those "active fighters with proper fights" doe? Not the guys you mentioned thats for sure (well except Pulev but as mentioned he seemed like he was aimed at Joshua & rightfully so thats the better money).

Whyte has fought Joshua while injured and changing trainer, when he wasn't even ready. Whyte has gone onto fight contenders like Chisora, Helenius and is away to fight unbeaten Browne......please don't try to discredit a tough fighter who will fight any one even if he is not 100%.....Whyte is the definition of a fighter, he might not be good but he hasn't been guided through, bought a title or anything, that guy will go to war and will fight any one. He is tough and comes to fight!

IF IF IF, Wilder fought duhaupas, Spzilka, Stiverne, Arreola and now a 38 year old Ortiz.....my god can you see hw this looks for a WBC champion, we aint talking about Whyte who has already fought better fighters, we're talking about a supposed WBC HW champion hahahahahahahahaha

[Vinnykin]

Ring Magazine is owned by HBO's lead promoter and is used as a propaganda war mechanism. Ring ratings are completely corrupt as is their championship policy and should never be cited as credible or independent. However, TBRB is a reputable replacement as it was founded by the Ring Ratings Advisory Board members who quit in disgust when Golden Boy began interfering.

If Ring followed their own rules, Fury would have been stripped years ago. However, he remains "Ring champion" to prevent Showtime from crowning a new lineal champion in the eyes of those who don't realize the Ring title should no longer be viewed as a reputable championship.




The IBO championship may not be recognized, but that doesn't change the fact that their independent and unbiased computerized rankings are still very useful as the IBO pays for the rights to publish rankings using the original computerized formula that pre-dates the IBO and has been used by television networks for decades to determine the real ranking of a fighter.

Ok. answer this question honestly. In January 2015, who was better than Stiverne in the HW division?

[yankees7448]

How many times are we going to over this with Wilder?

go and fight the highest ranked and active fighter in the WBC top 15!!!!

You f'ing complain about him fighting Luis Ortiz but then suggest he fight Dillan Whyte. A guy who went the distance with David Allen (but whom Ortiz KOed in 7). A guy whose best wins were a disputed decision against Derek Chisora and a snoozefest against Robert Helanius (who himself was stopped by someone Wilder had previously KOed).

Yea. You're done. You just proved my point about the heavyweight division. Everyone who isn't a champion is mediocre at best and Luis Ortiz is one of the best of the relatively limited bunch.




Complain about Luis Ortiz but then demand Wilder fight someone whose best performance took place in a fight that he was stopped in the 7th.