Lets examine the momentum of Wilder's last 2 opponents

[Mr Objecitivity]

What are you basing this on? A fight vs Jennings? you make bold predictions about Ortiz on your eye-test alone, he has never proven himself to be any where near Povetkin's level.

Ortiz looked good 3 years ago, now 3 years later, after fighting TT, Allen and Scott and looking like sheat, then taking a year off and coming back and fighting 200 seconds against my dad, you claim he is the No3 HW in the world!?

You're a lunatic

Good comment! I totally agree! Ortiz has nowhere near the accomplishments, feats and isn't as close to proven as Alexander Povetkin.

[Vinnykin]

LOL, but yea this is legit & this is often my first approach when someone dogs a specific opponent. Who else is out there for them to fight? And the reality is HW isn't & has seldom been a deep division.

Now if you wanna question why Bermane + Ortiz got in the positions they got in fair play. But the reality also is what else is out there?

I mean HW might be the division I like the most, but seldom is there more than 1 fight I really wanna see in this division cuz there is never a whole lot going on with it at the top. Meanwhile I could probably name 12+ fights I'd like to see at 147 & half a dozen give or take in most divisions I enjoy the most.

I could name 12 fighters Wilder should have fought in the last 3 years, want me to name them?

[Mr Objecitivity]

Ortiz would never come close to losing a fight with under sized slow footed plodder who walks forward in baby steps like Ruiz . The 6'4 84 inch reach Ortiz would crucify a guy like that . Jennings is not just better made for a HW division hes athletically built to at least go to different angles .

What you cant see is Ortiz hasnt even lost rounds to guys like Parker has fought but thats bc you wear fanboy glasses and that make being unbiased unrealistic ! lol


You would also know challengers almost always fight the champion harder if you understood the sport beyond you not understanding the fighters themselves along with that ,you wouldn't be lost .

Particularly an undefeated one whos actually better skilled and experienced combined than the champion which is rare . Ortiz is a top 3 guy ,he would clown Parker and Povetkin ,the only guys right now one can LEGITAMATLEY make a case for is Fury , Joshua and Wilder being favored over him .

Lol. Ortiz isn't 'clowning' Povetkin. Povetkin is far more proven and has the far better career resume + record at heavyweight boxing than Ortiz. This is just an indisputable fact that isn't even up for debate!

I also recall vaguely that Povetkin already defeated Ortiz in the amateurs when they fought.

[Eff Pandas]

I could name 12 fighters Wilder should have fought in the last 3 years, want me to name them?

Sh^t I could name more I bet. I didn't know we were talking about that doe.

Who's the better guy he coulda fought instead of Bermane? I can name some I'd have preferred, but all of them got holes one could argue are or aren't as big as the holes with Bermane. With Bermane specifically I just don't like how he's "climbed" back into mandatory position. Thats bs & had to involve some level of corruption.

Who's the better guy he could fight instead of Ortiz? This one is tougher cuz so many cats made Ortiz this bad mfer the hype on him makes him a bigger opponent than I think he should be (I'm obviously not a believer in this Ortiz hype), but again any names you can throw out there have equal or more holes in them as opponents I think.

Well outside of Joshua & Parker, as fellow title holders, but lets not act like there isn't more degrees of difficulty with making those fights than other fights.

[Vinnykin]

[QUOTE=Mr Objecitivity;18440557]Lol. Ortiz isn't 'clowning' Povetkin. Povetkin is far more proven and has the far better career resume + record at heavyweight boxing than Ortiz. This is just an indisputable fact that isn't even up for debate!

who even knows if Ortiz can go past 6 rounds fighting a guy like Povetkin? Would he be able to withstand 12 rounds at povetkin's level?????

[Mrsantiago]

What are you basing this on? A fight vs Jennings? you make bold predictions about Ortiz on your eye-test alone, he has never proven himself to be any where near Povetkin's level.

Ortiz looked good 3 years ago, now 3 years later, after fighting TT, Allen and Scott and looking like sheat, then taking a year off and coming back and fighting 200 seconds against my dad, you claim he is the No3 HW in the world!?

You're a lunatic

Im not defending DW but hes an awkward athletic puncher with fast hands so he can beat a lot of guys on athleticism alone. AJ is more fundamentally sound techniquewise but so were JR & Bhop when they fought RJJ and you seen what happened so the possibility is there Lol hell no DW is no RJJ btw.
B Jennings athleticism against a younger more active version of Wlad was more successful than AJ without the power so I dont know because thats why they fight the fights.
Against Ortiz Malik Scott was fighting only to survive 12rds.

[Vinnykin]

Sh^t I could name more I bet. I didn't know we were talking about that doe.

Who's the better guy he coulda fought instead of Bermane? I can name some I'd have preferred, but all of them got holes one could argue are or aren't as big as the holes with Bermane. With Bermane specifically I just don't like how he's "climbed" back into mandatory position. Thats bs & had to involve some level of corruption.

Who's the better guy he could fight instead of Ortiz? This one is tougher cuz so many cats made Ortiz this bad mfer the hype on him makes him a bigger opponent than I think he should be (I'm obviously not a believer in this Ortiz hype), but again any names you can throw out there have equal or more holes in them as opponents I think.

Well outside of Joshua & Parker, as fellow title holders, but lets not act like there isn't more degrees of difficulty with making those fights than other fights.

If you look at the top 10 ring fighters every year since Wilder has been pro you will find the answer. Every year there has been 10 guys he could have fought, unbeaten guys a lot of them, but he only moved on Stiverne who was somehow in the top 10 himself, undeservingly like Wilder.

Wilder is carefully managed, that is painfully obvious.

I won't go into who I had rated above Stiverne in 2015, it would be embarrassing for Wilder fans, lets just say Stiverne didn't make my top 15 lol

[Eff Pandas]

If you look at the top 10 ring fighters every year since Wilder has been pro you will find the answer. Every year there has been 10 guys he could have fought, unbeaten guys a lot of them, but he only moved on Stiverne who was somehow in the top 10 himself, undeservingly like Wilder.

Wilder is carefully managed, that is painfully obvious.

I won't go into who I had rated above Stiverne in 2015, it would be embarrassing for Wilder fans, lets just say Stiverne didn't make my top 15 lol

I wouldn't mention them either cuz there are a tons of holes in any guy you can say is a better opponent than Bermane or Ortiz.

The HW division is a weak division. Its entertaining as f#ck, but its not deep.

[yankees7448]

Are you trying to defend 2 38 year old, past it fighters getting a shot at the WBC HW title? seriously. Can you possibly think of no one more deserving that these 2?

So are you going to admit that the division is complete dog***** and that Luis Ortiz represents one of the best options for Wilder in a sea of mediocrity.

[yankees7448]

LOL, but yea this is legit & this is often my first approach when someone dogs a specific opponent. Who else is out there for them to fight? And the reality is HW isn't & has seldom been a deep division.

Now if you wanna question why Bermane + Ortiz got in the positions they got in fair play. But the reality also is what else is out there?

I mean HW might be the division I like the most, but seldom is there more than 1 fight I really wanna see in this division cuz there is never a whole lot going on with it at the top. Meanwhile I could probably name 12+ fights I'd like to see at 147 & half a dozen give or take in most divisions I enjoy the most.

Exactly. Mofo is dogging Luis Ortiz but who else is there? Fres Oquendo. Tom Schwartz. Random Japanese heavyweight #1 or #2. They all mediocre guys at best.