Lets examine the momentum of Wilder's last 2 opponents

[Vinnykin]

You f'ing complain about him fighting Luis Ortiz but then suggest he fight Dillan Whyte. A guy who went the distance with David Allen (but whom Ortiz KOed in 7). A guy whose best wins were a disputed decision against Derek Chisora and a snoozefest against Robert Helanius (who himself was stopped by someone Wilder had previously KOed).

Yea. You're done.

nah mate,you're done if you think Ortiz is on a good run or can even claim to think he would beat Whyte. ortiz is 70 years old! he hasn't fought in 3 years!

why won't any of you admit he hasnt fought in 3 years? imagine if Whyte, Wilder or Joshua had Ortiz' resume..... yu would be lsating every one of them, why is it different for Ortiz? Whyte has fought at a higher level than Ortiz the last 3 years.......FACT!

[yankees7448]

nah mate,you're done if you think Ortiz is on a good run or can even claim to think he would beat Whyte. ortiz is 70 years old! he hasn't fought in 3 years!

Dillian Whyte is nothing special. Stop pretending that he's anything more than Anthony Joshua's sloppy seconds.

why won't any of you admit he hasnt fought in 3 years?

Because he's fought 7 times in the past 3 years.

imagine if Whyte, Wilder or Joshua had Ortiz' resume.....

Ortiz has a better resume than Whyte. Monte Barrett, Tony Thompson, Bryant Jennings and Malik Scott make for a better resume than Derek Chisora, Robert Helanius, Brian Minto and Malcom Tann. Moreover they both fought David Allen and Ortiz stopped him while Whyte went the distance. Saying Ortiz has the better resume isn't just me blowing smoke up someone's arse it is objectively true. The only thing Whyte has over Ortiz is that he once lasted 7 rounds against Anthony Joshua.

why is it different for Ortiz? Whyte has fought at a higher level than Ortiz the last 3 years.......FACT!

Fact. Today is January 2018. 3 years ago would be January 2015. In the past 3 years Ortiz beat Bryant Jennings, Tony Thompson and Malik Scott. Whyte doesn't even have one victory over anyone better than Tony Thompson let alone 3 victories over opposition equal to or better than those guys. Sure, he fought Anthony Joshua but he got stopped in 7. You can't hype up a fight where the guy barely last halfway through the fight as an accomplishment.

[Eff Pandas]

Whyte has fought Joshua while injured and changing trainer, when he wasn't even ready.

When he wasn't ready lol. Sounds like something from 3rd grade but whatever with that.

But I'm saying who he's beat since being beat by Joshua? Nobody. Its the worn down version of Chisora who he was life & death with. Thats a guy who's gonna get Wilder more respect? Be serious bro.

Whyte is the definition of a fighter

Every boxer is "the definition of a fighter". Thats got nothing to do with nothing. Wilder beating Whyte DOES NOTHING for Wilder. I bet even all those guys who are hyping Whyte in the UK will fall off the Whyte hype train within the next 12-24 mos when the reality sets in that this guy isn't 2nd to Joshua only like too many cats in the UK appear to believe.

IF IF IF, Wilder fought duhaupas, Spzilka, Stiverne, Arreola and now a 38 year old Ortiz.....my god can you see hw this looks for a WBC champion, we aint talking about Whyte who has already fought better fighters, we're talking about a supposed WBC HW champion hahahahahahahahaha

I see you went too far down the silly thread starter list cuz you keep trying to make this about Duhaupas & other cats Wilder fought before the two fighters you brought up in the OP & what everyone here debating you is talking about EXCEPT you now oddly enough.

Lets check out reality for just one second here & I'll even go step by step so you can see we probably agree about 95% of this sh^t & why you are off base about the current sh^t.

Wilder fought a ton of bs guys.

Arguably his first life opponent was for a mfing title vs Bermane. I think its more likely he fought a live guy or two before that, but I don't wanna go digging into his resume right now & just doing this off memory. The overall point remains the same of his first 30 odd opponents there were maybe 3 or 4 live opponents. Bermane far & away the best.

He defended his title vs a lot of bs contenders.

He signed to fight Povetkin. Povetkin f#cked up & Bermane got throw in on late notice.

He's now signed to fight Ortiz who's the most hyped guy without a title in the HW division. I think he's overrated. From your take I believe you think he's overrated as well. Our opinions aside more mfers think this cat is for real than anyone else in the HW division right now.

So again I ask who the f#ck was Wilder going to fight on late notice, & was in legit play with us both being reasonable about being in play, when Povetkin fell out that would have legit upped most fans opinions of him more than Bermane?

And again I ask who the f#ck would be a better guy to fight now besides Ortiz, that is legit in play, that ups most fans opinion of Wilder?

Answer those questions in a logical & reasonable manner & I think you'll come up with no one or at the very least you'll agree "no one" is in the arguably opinion one could have on these questions cuz HW isn't deep, lotsa guys are busy or aimed at Joshua for money reasons & you don't gotta work too hard to tear down any of these guys' resumes, as fans tend to do, to make them look a whole lot less impressive once they lost to Wilder.

[Vinnykin]

Dillian Whyte is nothing special. Stop pretending that he's anything more than Anthony Joshua's sloppy seconds.



Because he's fought 7 times in the past 3 years.

Ortiz has a better resume than Whyte. Monte Barrett, Tony Thompson, Bryant Jennings and Malik Scott make for a better resume than Derek Chisora, Robert Helanius, Brian Minto and Malcom Tann. Moreover they both fought David Allen and Ortiz stopped him while Whyte went the distance. Saying Ortiz has the better resume isn't just me blowing smoke up someone's arse it is objectively true. The only thing Whyte has over Ortiz is that he once lasted 7 rounds against Anthony Joshua.


Fact. Today is January 2018. 3 years ago would be January 2015. In the past 3 years Ortiz beat Bryant Jennings, Tony Thompson and Malik Scott. Whyte doesn't even have one victory over anyone better than Tony Thompson let alone 3 victories over opposition equal to or better than those guys. Sure, he fought Anthony Joshua but he got stopped in 7. You can't hype up a fight where the guy barely last halfway through the fight as an accomplishment.

1. Whyte is more deserving, admit it or admit you don't care about the sport....
2.Whyte has improved everything since the Joshua loss, a loss don't mean ****, and everyone knows Whyte wasn't 100% or even had a team behind him at that point. FACT!
3.when I say he hasn't "fought" in 3 years, I mean he has never been in a fight, you ****ing dumbass. Look at his CV, go, click on boxrec and look at his opponents. disgraceful, no one can defend that right? oh wait, Wilder has one just as bad lol
4.Lets agree to disagree, regarding Ortiz cv. Joshua, Chisora, Helenius, Browne > Thomson, Scott, Allen, Martz lol......OMG how can you defend that?

Whyte is a more deserving opponent than Ortiz....admit that and you will rove yourself worthy of boxing, if you think that Ortiz.....lets not forget he never foguht in a year then fought Martz for a round.....then he gets a title shot......Wilder just said Whyte isn't deserving? he has fought better opponents and higher ranked opponents than Ortiz....

Explain this to me, exlain how Ortiz is getting a WBC title shot, explain how Stiverne got one as well. Lets hear your excuse fanboy! hahahahahahahaha

[yankees7448]

1. Whyte is more deserving, admit it or admit you don't care about the sport....

Based upon what exactly.

2.Whyte has improved everything since the Joshua loss,

I would hope so.

a loss don't mean ****,

Yes it does. Especially when you get stopped in 7.

and everyone knows Whyte wasn't 100% or even had a team behind him at that point. FACT!

Then don't take the fight. If you're not ready for it then you're not ready. Don't whine about circumstances after the fact.

3.when I say he hasn't "fought" in 3 years, I mean he has never been in a fight, you ****ing dumbass. Look at his CV, go, click on boxrec and look at his opponents.

Tony Thompson, Bryant Jennings, Malik Scott and a stoppage victory in 7 against a guy Whyte didn't even drop. All readily observable on boxrec.

4.Lets agree to disagree, regarding Ortiz cv. Joshua, Chisora, Helenius, Browne > Thomson, Scott, Allen, Martz lol......OMG how can you defend that?

Easily. Whyte got stopped in 7 against Joshua and hasn't even fought Browne yet. You're counting a loss and a fight that hasn't taken place. What if Dillian Whyte pulls a muscle patting himself in the back. What if Browne pops positive for PEDs before the fight? Then the fight doesn't happen. Kind of like Wilder's fight with Alexander Povetkin (I am sure you know who that is) fell apart when Povetkin tested positive. But I guess in your rush to give Whyte credit for a fight that didn't happen you forgot to give Wilder for this fight that didn't happen.

Explain this to me, exlain how Ortiz is getting a WBC title shot, explain how Stiverne got one as well. Lets hear your excuse fanboy! hahahahahahahaha

The WBC had Stiverne as the mandatory. That's on them. If Wilder doesn't take that fight he loses the belt. And he was originally scheduled to fight Ortiz that night before Ortiz' piss test came out dirty.

[Eff Pandas]

Yea. You're done

This.

This is a goofy a$$ thread that I don't even think OP really believes cuz he keeps trying to change the goalposts with bringing up older sh^t despite him starting the thread based upon recent sh^t.

Make a new thread bro. This one is cooked.

[Vinnykin]

When he wasn't ready lol. Sounds like something from 3rd grade but whatever with that.

But I'm saying who he's beat since being beat by Joshua? Nobody. Its the worn down version of Chisora who he was life & death with. Thats a guy who's gonna get Wilder more respect? Be serious bro.



Every boxer is "the definition of a fighter". Thats got nothing to do with nothing. Wilder beating Whyte DOES NOTHING for Wilder. I bet even all those guys who are hyping Whyte in the UK will fall off the Whyte hype train within the next 12-24 mos when the reality sets in that this guy isn't 2nd to Joshua only like too many cats in the UK appear to believe.



I see you went too far down the silly thread starter list cuz you keep trying to make this about Duhaupas & other cats Wilder fought before the two fighters you brought up in the OP & what everyone here debating you is talking about EXCEPT you now oddly enough.

Lets check out reality for just one second here & I'll even go step by step so you can see we probably agree about 95% of this sh^t & why you are off base about the current sh^t.

Wilder fought a ton of bs guys.

Arguably his first life opponent was for a mfing title vs Bermane. I think its more likely he fought a live guy or two before that, but I don't wanna go digging into his resume right now & just doing this off memory. The overall point remains the same of his first 30 odd opponents there were maybe 3 or 4 live opponents. Bermane far & away the best.

He defended his title vs a lot of bs contenders.

He signed to fight Povetkin. Povetkin f#cked up & Bermane got throw in on late notice.

He's now signed to fight Ortiz who's the most hyped guy without a title in the HW division. I think he's overrated. From your take I believe you think he's overrated as well. Our opinions aside more mfers think this cat is for real than anyone else in the HW division right now.

So again I ask who the f#ck was Wilder going to fight on late notice, & was in legit play with us both being reasonable about being in play, when Povetkin fell out that would have legit upped most fans opinions of him more than Bermane?

And again I ask who the f#ck would be a better guy to fight now besides Ortiz, that is legit in play, that ups most fans opinion of Wilder?

Answer those questions in a logical & reasonable manner & I think you'll come up with no one or at the very least you'll agree "no one" is in the arguably opinion one could have on these questions cuz HW isn't deep, lotsa guys are busy or aimed at Joshua for money reasons & you don't gotta work too hard to tear down any of these guys' resumes, as fans tend to do, to make them look a whole lot less impressive once they lost to Wilder.

Come on man, we all know Whyte never had the run going into that fight and took it while injured for the money. This ain't excuses, it's just facts, Whyte was severely impaired going into that fight, and Joshua's camp knew it as well....... the fact that AJ got so much praise is credit to Whyte, who fought on after his shoulder went and was gassed by the 5th round.

no, not every fighter is the definition of a fighter, some are boxers and have no heart, when the going gets tough, Whyte is a warrior, a fighter, his heart can't be questioned by any one that knows this game. and no one even says Whyte is elite or even good, the fact is he will come to fight, and therefore is a good fight for any one! I'd love to see Wilder or Ortiz try to KO Whyte, because he's fit and ready now, not what Joshua fought!

It's funny you keep discrediting every fighter I bring up, proven fighters like Chisora and Whyte, even Pulev and say "WEEEEEEEEEEE, Wilder won't get credit fighting them" while Wilder has been fighting worse opponents for years! hahahaha you better believe I would respect a win over Chisora, just like I respect Whyte, Fury, Klitschko for fighting him. On his day he is a tough fight, and rises to the occasion, a WBC fight against Wilder, you better believe Chisora would turn up for that, and put it on him in the press conference as well, I'd watch that **** for sure! we would see how Wilder deals with a pressure fighter as well.

Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka, ARREOLA! lol, Washington, Stiverne, Ortiz.

are you seeing a pattern? Wilder is 40 fights in FFS. those are the names he has fought after 34 fights! this isn't Whyte, who has no amateur career, and has already fought Joshua, Chisora, Helenius and is away to fight Browne in fron of 20k people.......this is the WBC american HW champion of the worlds CV.....hahahahaha OMG that is bad, like, come on, that is bad....

if you can't admit that is bad then you are a fanboy.

[Larry the boss]

Seems like you are nitpicking, there is no better fight for him then Ortiz right now other then Joshua

[Eff Pandas]

Come on man, we all know Whyte never had the run going into that fight and took it while injured for the money. This ain't excuses, it's just facts, Whyte was severely impaired going into that fight, and Joshua's camp knew it as well....... the fact that AJ got so much praise is credit to Whyte, who fought on after his shoulder went and was gassed by the 5th round.

no, not every fighter is the definition of a fighter, some are boxers and have no heart, when the going gets tough, Whyte is a warrior, a fighter, his heart can't be questioned by any one that knows this game. and no one even says Whyte is elite or even good, the fact is he will come to fight, and therefore is a good fight for any one! I'd love to see Wilder or Ortiz try to KO Whyte, because he's fit and ready now, not what Joshua fought!

It's funny you keep discrediting every fighter I bring up, proven fighters like Chisora and Whyte, even Pulev and say "WEEEEEEEEEEE, Wilder won't get credit fighting them" while Wilder has been fighting worse opponents for years! hahahaha you better believe I would respect a win over Chisora, just like I respect Whyte, Fury, Klitschko for fighting him. On his day he is a tough fight, and rises to the occasion, a WBC fight against Wilder, you better believe Chisora would turn up for that, and put it on him in the press conference as well, I'd watch that **** for sure! we would see how Wilder deals with a pressure fighter as well.

Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka, ARREOLA! lol, Washington, Stiverne, Ortiz.

are you seeing a pattern? Wilder is 40 fights in FFS. those are the names he has fought after 34 fights! this isn't Whyte, who has no amateur career, and has already fought Joshua, Chisora, Helenius and is away to fight Browne in fron of 20k people.......this is the WBC american HW champion of the worlds CV.....hahahahaha OMG that is bad, like, come on, that is bad....

if you can't admit that is bad then you are a fanboy.

I noticed you avoided my questions & keep bringing up old sh^t cuz your opinion is weak. This is getting embarrassing for you bro.

If you wanna legit discuss this & bring up valid things fair play, but you set the perimeters & now you're trying to change them + not answering my legit questions to you as I've answered a ton of questions you've made to me.

[Eff Pandas]

Seems like you are nitpicking, there is no better fight for him then Ortiz right now other then Joshua

There's not a better option for anyone to fight in the division, without a title, than Ortiz.

Joshua & Parker got belts.

Povetkin only looks good when he's not being drug tested it seems & like garbage when he is.

Most of the cats being mentioned by OP are guys most people think ain't sh^t to a equal or similar degree as the guys Wilder was fighting pre-last year.

Haye is just doing the slow cashout & doesn't want serious fights.

Bellew wants that sexy Haye rematch money & rightfully so I bet he's doing witchcraft hoping dude breaks his ankle or w/e again.

Who am I missing that matters?