Is Mayweather the GOAT 154 lbs and under fighter?

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  • Xi_
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    #21
    Floyd at least top 10 154 and under.

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    • chrisJS
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      #22
      Originally posted by larry spence
      Why are they greater then Mayweather?
      Lol you don't even know them. They have equal or better legacies. Most have defeated a great fighter in their prime or were undisputed for years on end.

      Notice I also replied to "could be better".

      Now answer how many have you seen how many have you heard of?

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      • IronDanHamza
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        #23
        Originally posted by chrisJS
        Lol you don't even know them. They have equal or better legacies. Most have defeated a great fighter in their prime or were undisputed for years on end.

        Notice I also replied to "could be better".

        Now answer how many have you seen how many have you heard of?
        Napoles
        Olivares
        Jofre
        Wilde
        Chavez
        Arguello
        Hearns
        Whitaker
        Saddler

        I don't think any of those beat a great fighter in their prime

        So to say "most" is incorrect.

        Also I'd imagine plenty of writers would rank Mayweather ahead of most of the above if not all.

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        • chrisJS
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          #24
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          Napoles
          Olivares
          Jofre
          Wilde
          Chavez
          Arguello
          Hearns
          Whitaker
          Saddler

          I don't think any of those beat a great fighter in their prime

          So to say "most" is incorrect.

          Also I'd imagine plenty of writers would rank Mayweather ahead of most of the above if not all.
          Many of them were undisputed for long stretches though so also that's impressive. So to say most were either undisputed for a while or defeated a great near their prime is accurate.

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          • El Gitano
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            #25
            Answer the man's question, Larry.

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            • mcdonalds
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              #26
              chrisJS is the biggest FRAUD on here

              LOL

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              • Larry the boss
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                #27
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                Napoles
                Olivares
                Jofre
                Wilde
                Chavez
                Arguello
                Hearns
                Whitaker
                Saddler

                I don't think any of those beat a great fighter in their prime

                So to say "most" is incorrect.

                Also I'd imagine plenty of writers would rank Mayweather ahead of most of the above if not all.
                Like I said he is just throwing out names trying to sound educated

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                • El Gitano
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by mcdonalds
                  chrisJS is the biggest FRAUD on here

                  LOL
                  If by FRAUD you mean one of the most KNOWLEDGEABLE, then I agree.

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                  • Joe Beamish
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by chrisJS
                    You do realize that Robinson's prime was under 154?

                    Can be ranked ahead? I won't use Pacquaio because that will send people crazy but the following can and in most cases probably would (by historians at least) be ranked ahead of him (under 154 guys only)

                    Sugar Ray Robinson
                    Henry Armstrong
                    Willie Pep
                    Roberto Duran
                    Eder Jofre
                    Sugar Ray Leonard
                    Jimmy Wilde
                    Mickey Walker
                    Benny Leonard
                    Sandy Saddler
                    Carlos Ortiz
                    Pernell Whitaker
                    Barney Ross
                    Tommy Hearns
                    Jimmy McLarnin
                    Tony Canzoneri
                    Kid Gavilan
                    Joe Gans
                    Ike Williams
                    Emile Griffith
                    Alexis Arguello
                    Jose Napoles
                    Ruben Olivares
                    Julio Cesar Chavez

                    I'd say those 24 guys could be and probably should be ranked ahead using just fighters who fought mostly under 154. Towards the top of the list the names are more certainly ahead and more factually ahead though the list is in no real order and just off the top of the head.

                    If you don't know at least 22 of those names you probably aren't qualified to have a top 5 list unless it's top 5 favorites for example.
                    Good list.

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                    • chrisJS
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by larry spence
                      Like I said he is just throwing out names trying to sound educated
                      Yet you've never heard of them and are ducking the question.

                      Interesting.

                      You don't even know who Mike McCallum is. You probably ignored him thinking he's Scottish but he's a black man from Jamaica.

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