Is Mayweather the GOAT 154 lbs and under fighter?

[chrisJS]

how was that for the title? how did that guy have a title when Wilde fought him?

Europe would recognize a world champion and America would. Sometimes the champ could be diff. The euro champ beat the American champ.

[IronDanHamza]

how was that for the title? how did that guy have a title when Wilde fought him?

Vacant if I'm not mistaken.

Flyweight was in it's infancy then.

But he was the recognised world champion after that.

His "reign" was garbage though as was his general overall resume being totally underwhelming.

To consider him to be ranked above Mayweather is laughable to say the least.

[Larry the boss]

Vacant if I'm not mistaken.

Flyweight was in it's infancy then.

But he was the recognised world champion after that.

His "reign" was garbage though as was his general overall resume being totally underwhelming.

To consider him to be ranked above Mayweather is laughable to say the least.

So he a was a champ******

[Larry the boss]

Europe would recognize a world champion and America would. Sometimes the champ could be diff. The euro champ beat the American champ.

Zulu was not a champ anywhere he had 3 straight losses and beat a journeyman before Wilde

[Fists_of_Fury]

You do realize that Robinson's prime was under 154?

Can be ranked ahead? I won't use Pacquaio because that will send people crazy but the following can and in most cases probably would (by historians at least) be ranked ahead of him (under 154 guys only)

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Roberto Duran
Eder Jofre
Sugar Ray Leonard
Jimmy Wilde
Mickey Walker
Benny Leonard
Sandy Saddler
Carlos Ortiz
Pernell Whitaker
Barney Ross
Tommy Hearns
Jimmy McLarnin
Tony Canzoneri
Kid Gavilan
Joe Gans
Ike Williams
Emile Griffith
Alexis Arguello
Jose Napoles
Ruben Olivares
Julio Cesar Chavez

I'd say those 24 guys could be and probably should be ranked ahead using just fighters who fought mostly under 154. Towards the top of the list the names are more certainly ahead and more factually ahead though the list is in no real order and just off the top of the head.

If you don't know at least 22 of those names you probably aren't qualified to have a top 5 list unless it's top 5 favorites for example.

How many fights have you watched of these guys under 154lbs? Have you seen Sugar Ray Robinson before he fought middleweight? Or do you just spout off the usual nonsense acting like you have extensive knowledge of these fighters but haven't seen even 1/4 of their fights?

[chrisJS]

Zulu was not a champ anywhere he had 3 straight losses and beat a journeyman before Wilde

He was recognized by the American boxing board as their world champion. Wilde was the European and they had a fight to unify. The bout determined the lineal and one true champion in the division.

[chrisJS]

How many fights have you watched of these guys under 154lbs? Have you seen Sugar Ray Robinson before he fought middleweight? Or do you just spout off the usual nonsense acting like you have extensive knowledge of these fighters but haven't seen even 1/4 of their fights?

A lot of the coverage isn't available but the resumes are there and we have to trust what the reporters said about those fights, those fighters and them in a historical sense based on that.

[IronDanHamza]

So he a was a champ******

Well yeah I do agree his title reign was a joke to be honest.

Wilde for me is easily the most overrated fighter of all time.

His resume is pretty poor in all honesty.

But also just bare in mind that if you are getting that info from Boxrec then Boxrec's info from that time a lot of the records are incomplete so may not be accurate.

But, one thing is true is that Young Zulu is no where close to a great fighter.

[Fists_of_Fury]

A lot of the coverage isn't available but the resumes are there and we have to trust what the reporters said about those fights, those fighters and them in a historical sense based on that.

Lets trust a reporter because there's no way they could be bias or anything...

[chrisJS]

Lets trust a reporter because there's no way they could be bias or anything...

Yeah they are biased because they knew 80-90 years later cable would have all the fights and there'd be an internet so they would protect the fighters in those days against modern day guys.