Steve collins?--Someone who was around tell me about him

[coghaugen]

Do you have an excuse for literally everything?

Issue with truth in your life bud?

[IronDanHamza]

Issue with truth in your life bud?

Oh yeah, "the truth", yeah mate. That's it.

Montel Griffin's ridiculous notion and excuse that he got blasted out by Roy Jones was because "he didn't warm up" and you are that dense that you actually believe that is the reason why he got destroyed in a round.

What else do you believe? That Santa Claus is real?

What's even funnier is you are the one who cannot accept the truth and reality. You literally have a list of excuses for every single time James Toney lost or looked terrible. Literally.

[coghaugen]

Tony Thornton was very good against Collins, Sosa, Eubank and Toney, but post-retirement and post-shoulder surgery against Jones, who showed his freakish power with that leaping hook (though none of the finishing flurry on the ropes next round really landed and ref stepped in due to Thornton's arm being dislocated). He'd of got a pass fighting a younger Thornton for sure, very solid and technically sound fighter!

[coghaugen]

Roy Jones was technically atrocious. Terrible. He did have power, speed and reflexes though and waited around for everyone to wash up. Smart. Not great.

[IronDanHamza]

Roy Jones was technically atrocious. Terrible. He did have power, speed and reflexes though and waited around for everyone to wash up. Smart. Not great.

Yeah but he didn't wait for Toney to wash up when he dominated him in first gear like a man vs a infant child.

Or when he blasted out Griffin in a round, the guy who beat Toney twice. Oh yeah, that was because he "didn't warm up"

Or when he battered Sosa the guy who nearly beat Toney.

[coghaugen]

Probably the best technical performance in boxing history -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5s&v=iZPhR4eTRKU

[coghaugen]

Yeah but he didn't wait for Toney to wash up when he dominated him in first gear like a man vs a infant child.

Or when he blasted out Griffin in a round, the guy who beat Toney twice. Oh yeah, that was because he "didn't warm up"

Or when he battered Sosa the guy who nearly beat Toney.

Sosa had been in life and death wars with Prince Charles, completely shot to bits and even then the ref jumped in way too early when it was just heating up. Sosa was 5yrs past his best and right there with Jones, not given a chance to go with him. Awful stoppage.

[low blows]

He wasn't all that. But he was better than eubank and benn who were well below average but brits swear they're the best thing since sliced bread...

Eubank was a poor man's version of Jones in terms of competition as he feasted on British domestic class fighters when he made his division "record" defenses of his WBO super middleweight crown.

[coghaugen]

Toney clearly won both Griffin fights, did much better than Jones. Jones clearly lost to Griffin, and Griffin still gave Jones a rematch after humiliating him (Jones wouldn't return the favour for rubber match).

[coghaugen]

Eubank was a poor man's version of Jones in terms of competition as he feasted on British domestic class fighters when he made his division "record" defenses of his WBO super middleweight crown.

That's bizarre because he came years before Jones, and set the model for Jones and Hamed etc. Benn and Watson were proven world-class (see Lee/DeWitt/McCallum/Barkley fights), Malinga a future World champ, Holmes a former World champ, Rocchigiani a former/future World champ and Thornton and Essett USA/North American champs...