Comments Thread For: Hearn: I Feel For Wilder - He's a One-Man Band Commercially

[kafkod]

Funny how Hearn didnt say any of this when he was talking to Finkel or Wilder over the phone...

He did, as a matter of fact.

[Butch.McRae]

there are 324,272,037 ppl in the U.S. 900,000 ppl watching you doesnt make someone a "star" lol

In comparison to other boxers it does lol but generally it's meh

[richardt]

White Boxing Fans in America those that fill the arenas and pay the salaries ignore the dim wit dumb plantation field hand slave tattooed goofy Wilder. America could care less about goofy Wilder.

Reported for racism. Not acceptable!

[New England]

haymon's not technically a promotor. he's a manager who acts like a promotor, securing deals and purses from TV networks with which he's always established tremendous relationships. that's what he does best, and why he's so good at what he does from teh perspective of fighters. "thank you al haymon." ring a bell?

he uses proxy promotors to "promote" while he negotiates behind the scenes. lou dibella is a cool guy and a solid promotor in the northeast, but he's not relaly the guy to leverage a potential PPV juggernaut like wilder - joshua. doesn't have the cash, doesn't have the muscle, he just can't do it. it's like kathy duva trying to promote kovlaev as a PPV guy. you guys know that kovalev's fights had a 5,000 dollar promotional budget prior to the hopkins fight? really. and that ramping-up came with investment from hbo.

fighters like haymon because he pays them even when they don't fight, he gets them easy fights and he keeps them on TV, or gets them big fights with huge purses on ppv. but how much does he really build fighters? the guy literally doesn't even try and have a relationship with the media, the avenue through which you generate a relationship with fans, and build your brand.


for those asking "why doesn't haymon promote?" i'll tell you. it's illegal for a manager to act also as a promotor. what haymon does is very underhanded, and operates in the grey area of the regulations.

[New England]

Reported for racism. Not acceptable!

says a lot about the forum that somebody even thinks that's ok to say.

[petegrif]

Hearn is absolutely right.
Wilder needs to work hard to build his profile and he's stepping up and doing it.
A higher profile Wilder is good for Wilder and good for Joshua.

[filup79]

Surely Wilder wouldn't be such an unknown commodity if promoted by Top Rank or GBP.

Both GB and TR have 1 or 2 fighters that they promote that are known. And only Canelo is selling PPVs and the most well known fighter between the two promoters. No other boxer from those two stables in very well known and doing big numbers.

[kafkod]

I understand what you're saying, but there are basically no contemporary examples to support that argument. We have maybe 10 guys in the last 30 years who are what you'd call a household name in the US from boxing. Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Manny, Floyd, Oscar, RJJ, Bernard, and the Klitchkos (and the last three weren't box office guys here) and Floyd wasn't very popular when he had a promoter either. *Mosley might be close to that group as well.

Boxing needs more real professionals. It's flooded with random characters that are outdated and not very well connected in my view. Fighters do need a team, but they need the right people. Boxing in large part doesn't have those people.

That's the difference between US and UK boxing. Eddie Hearn dresses and talks like a smart young business entrepeneur and gets himself out there talking to everybody from fighters, fans, and YT boxing channels to TV execs and politicians.

Frank Warren is old school, but a very smart guy, and as competitive as any fighter. When Warren saw what Hearn was doing he fired up and starting doing the same kinds of things himself.

Is there anybody like that in the US?

Don King was a promotional genius, but he's an old man now. Same thing with Bob Arum.

Tom Loeffler is a businessman promoter, but he lacks the imagination and drive of Hearn, and the ruthless, cutthroat competitive streak of a Frank Warren.

Oscar .. has everything a boxing promoter needs ... except a brain, lol.

Dana white is talking about moving in on boxing. He would get nowhere in the UK with his foul mouthed, blue-collar persona, lol, but it definitely works for him in the US.

Floyd Mayweather? Mmmm .. maybe. Let's what happens now he's got that 50 - 0 record and can start focusing fully on promoting his fighters, instead of himself.

[Butch.McRae]

In almost one week removed from the KO, Wilder's IG account jumped by almost 100k followers. That's the type of organic growth he needs.

This idea that a promoter will make you a star is silly. Almost 99% of boxers never become stars. Ever. This isn't the 1960s people lol

Wilder is doing great ratings on premium cable fighting complete nobodies. Nearly 900k views on Showtime is remarkable when everybody else is in the 500k - 700k range. Even the ticket sales look good in comparison to other fighters similarly matched. Yeah he's not doing UK/AJ business. But virtually nobody does that here without a lot of groundwork.

He's only been champ three years. Guys like Manny, and Floyd took years to build up. It's doesn't happen over night. If he KOs AJ this summer, he'll explode in the US market.

Floyd win his first belt in 98. His first PPV was in 05.

Manny won his first belt in 98. His first true PPV was in 05.

You don't become a star over night.

[kafkod]

says a lot about the forum that somebody even thinks that's ok to say.

He knows its not ok .. that's why he said it.