Boxing fans get what they derserve

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1ST who is "we" and "us"

As has been explained many times, this "WBC WBA IBF" account is operated by three previous boxingscene posters. One of us has ties to the WBC, one of us has ties to the WBA, one of us has ties to the IBF, so we decided to team up since so many of our posts involved sanctioning body politics.

And how do you know it was the 50-50 is what killed it mikey never said that?

Mikey is not an ego guy. He is all business. If Golden Boy was able to get HBO to pay so much for the fight that Mikey's 50% was worth more than the lion's share he'd get from fighting Easter on SHO, he was going to go with the larger offer even if Linares didn't really deserve 50%.

However, inevitably, because Linares was taking 50%, Mikey's share of the HBO offer ended up being less than his (lion's) share of the SHO offer. So he took the SHO offer. Had the Linares fight not been 50/50 and actually been a split that better reflected the value of each fighter, then Mikey's share would have been larger than the Easter fight and he would have taken the Linares fight.

So you can't blame Mikey for the fight not happening when GB's offer was less money than the fight Mikey's had sitting on the table for months. What you can blame is GB's offer, since 50/50 isn't a true reflection of the individual worth of each fight.

And how do you know Mikey is = convinced that he can beat both?Most experts I believe would think Linares has a tougher style for mikey then Easter.

We agree with you that most "experts" would probably think Linares is the tougher fight. We personally believe Easter is the tougher fight. Mikey personally believes he wins either fight handily. As for how we'd know Mikey's thoughts on those fights, it's not something that would be appropriate to post publicly. Mikey's camp is pretty talkative if you know who to ask.

But I agree Linares would look better on resume.Because at this moment he is bigger name and tougher fight.

Agree on bigger name. Agree to disagree on tougher fight. But regardless, one fight paid more than the other.

And almost as importantly, the fight that paid more didn't require crossing enemy lines where you'd be at risk of losing and having zero leverage to get a fair deal for a rematch. When you stick with the Haymon universe and fight other Haymon fighters, you know you never have to worry about getting boxed out of the picture.

[john l]

As has been explained many times, this "WBC WBA IBF" account is operated by three previous boxingscene posters. One of us has ties to the WBC, one of us has ties to the WBA, one of us has ties to the IBF, so we decided to team up since so many of our posts involved sanctioning body politics.




Mikey is not an ego guy. He is all business. If Golden Boy was able to get HBO to pay so much for the fight that Mikey's 50% was worth more than the lion's share he'd get from fighting Easter on SHO, he was going to go with the larger offer even if Linares didn't really deserve 50%.

However, inevitably, because Linares was taking 50%, Mikey's share of the HBO offer ended up being less than his (lion's) share of the SHO offer. So he took the SHO offer. Had the Linares fight not been 50/50 and actually been a split that better reflected the value of each fighter, then Mikey's share would have been larger than the Easter fight and he would have taken the Linares fight.

So you can't blame Mikey for the fight not happening when GB's offer was less money than the fight Mikey's had sitting on the table for months. What you can blame is GB's offer, since 50/50 isn't a true reflection of the individual worth of each fight.




We agree with you that most "experts" would probably think Linares is the tougher fight. We personally believe Easter is the tougher fight. Mikey personally believes he wins either fight handily. As for how we'd know Mikey's thoughts on those fights, it's not something that would be appropriate to post publicly. Mikey's camp is pretty talkative if you know who to ask.




Agree on bigger name. Agree to disagree on tougher fight. But regardless, one fight paid more than the other.

And almost as importantly, the fight that paid more didn't require crossing enemy lines where you'd be at risk of losing and having zero leverage to get a fair deal for a rematch. When you stick with the Haymon universe and fight other Haymon fighters, you know you never have to worry about getting boxed out of the picture.

1st off you may work for alpha bit boys but you talk like you are really close to mikey???And have intimate knowledge of this deal which I don't see how.And also its not like mikey could(and prob did) have rematch clause.And really even if you know mikey there is NO WAY you can tell me how confident he is with either.Thats something that only mikey(and maybe bro)knows.And unless your in inner circle they not gonna tell you(oh we just think easter right now is easier fight)Any ways I think we have talked this to death but yesterday when you made crack about writing "what I think"you are doing much of the same.Im not gonna BS anybody and say I work for alha bit boys(not sayin your lying I don't know)but have been around boxing for 35yrs and I do know how buis works.But that's say your right(which I'm not convinced)and mikey makes say 1.5 for Linares and 1.75 for Easter(that's about ballpark)I still don't get how some fans are so willing to just accept a fight(that we both admit would be thought of as easier fight) just because he makes just a little more. Again we don't agree on this but you cant tell me it would be alot more.If this was before Broner fight and he would make ALOT more than with Linares I got no big prob.I mean if its diff between 400 k and mil fine.But like i said don't think fans of other sports would be cool with this I think boxing fans ARE SO USED TO THIS that there just happy he is fightin somone .

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And also its not like mikey could(and prob did) have rematch clause.

The Linares fight was a one off. No rematch clause. No strings attached. 50/50 fight and the loser is SOL.

[john l]

The Linares fight was a one off. No rematch clause. No strings attached. 50/50 fight and the loser is SOL.

I'm sure Mikey could have made counter offer.But I don't remember seeing in story that there would deff not be a poss of rematch clause.GB just said they would not make him sign for future fights.We both know GB would love to get hands on Mickey and that was REAL reason they dropped that.I think they were hoping after fight that Mickey if treated right might sign.Or why else would they be so willing to match their guy up in a fight where he prob losses.I think it was a gamble on hoping Mikey might come around.Which also makes me think they would be open to any rematch clause.But we can go around and around on this.One thing ill say is (besides from a few cracks)you can debate like a REAL man without resorting to silly little name calling and acting like a keyboard tough guy.I don't see us agreeing on this though.

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Well it looks to me like SHOW trying to take over the prem channel boxing.And its not just Linares I'm sure they would not mind to be able to work with GB for other fights.And GB said they had no prob workin with anyone.And Mikey did not dispute that either.But what ever man I mean boxing fans just seem happy to get thrown any decent bone(mg v easter aint bad fight)So that's all your ever gonna get.Its funny anyother sport this would be a joke.I mean to you think football fans would be fine with letting Pats play 3rd best team last SUPER BOWL because Jerry Jones offered them a little more money.

All Golden Boy Promotions has of value right now is Saul "Canelo" Alvarez. If Oscar rolls the dice and gets lucky, you may be able to add Joseph Diaz Jr to that too (fights Oscar Valdez on ESPN and wins, giving Showtime a path to an undisputed featherweight champion).

Keep ignoring that reality all you want.

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Dude I'm not gonna keep sayin it over and over.He took easier route and your kinda souding like a promoter for him.And AB was draw for that fight whether you like it or not.I don't remember payout but even if your right and it was even that had more to do with them wanting to be I MG buis later.AB had reach his level and was going down. let that sink in.Plus what the hell does have to do with anything??????????you sayin SHOW pays more for MG V JL then MG VS RE????????? but really I'm done with repeating myself .

I'm saying that Mikey Garcia vs Robert Easter Jr has a Showtime date already locked in and Showtime wants near nothing to do with Oscar De La Hoya.

Golden Boy Promotions owns the show, and Golden Boy would have to go find their own venue and TV date from HBO (or be left with losing their ass on the fight on ESPN).

Why can't you get it through your skull that Showtime doesn't do business and hasn't done business with Golden Boy Promotions since Oscar ****ed them out of Saul Alvarez?

[john l]

All Golden Boy Promotions has of value right now is Saul "Canelo" Alvarez. If Oscar rolls the dice and gets lucky, you may be able to add Joseph Diaz Jr to that too (fights Oscar Valdez on ESPN and wins, giving Showtime a path to an undisputed featherweight champion).

Keep ignoring that reality all you want.

GB still has a lot of prospects and HBO IS not SHOW worst enemy right now its ESPN.So quit taking about ignoring reality.Honestly you sound like just a big fan of mikey.Thats reality

[john l]

I'm saying that Mikey Garcia vs Robert Easter Jr has a Showtime date already locked in and Showtime wants near nothing to do with Oscar De La Hoya.

Golden Boy Promotions owns the show, and Golden Boy would have to go find their own venue and TV date from HBO (or be left with losing their ass on the fight on ESPN).

Why can't you get it through your skull that Showtime doesn't do business and hasn't done business with Golden Boy Promotions since Oscar ****ed them out of Saul Alvarez?

Dude I'm not a fan for just a few years like you sound.These guys are always swiching allegiance Arum once hated SHOW and HBO and same with GB.And with ALL of Arum fighters on ESPN I think SHOW would have no prob workin with GB.To give you example Arum took Pac(much bigger fighter at time then Canelo)to SHOW for a bit so he was on outs with HBO.Now how long did that last??These little fueds go on all the time and when its in their interest they end.All kinds of diff examples.Now im done talking about this with you.

[john l]

I'm saying that Mikey Garcia vs Robert Easter Jr has a Showtime date already locked in and Showtime wants near nothing to do with Oscar De La Hoya.

Golden Boy Promotions owns the show, and Golden Boy would have to go find their own venue and TV date from HBO (or be left with losing their ass on the fight on ESPN).

Why can't you get it through your skull that Showtime doesn't do business and hasn't done business with Golden Boy Promotions since Oscar ****ed them out of Saul Alvarez?

One last thing if you think Show would not have bought Garcia v Linares a bigger fight then Easter then your crazy.

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There is a difference between can and will. Showtime likely doesn't think Linares will win, but he certainly can win. It's not such a lopsided match up where you just take the risk and hope for the best. It's a real fight. Mikey likely comes out on top, but it would still be wholly irresponsible for Showtime to make that fight.

Right now Showtime controls the undefeated WBC champion and the undefeated IBF champion. You can match them up and control the winner and the loser and largely control the division.

So why would they want to have to get into a bidding war with HBO for the right to allow HBO's fighter to potentially come in, no strings attached, no rematch clause, and just completely steal control of the division and waltz right back to HBO?

That's just not how this business works man. Showtime has the budget to beat HBO's offer for basically any fight. Yet they prefer to spend their money on Mikey vs Easter when they could have very easily had Mikey vs Linares instead.

Why do you think that is?

Showtime needs a star more than they need champions at this point. Mikey Garcia has the makings of being a star. If Mikey keeps performing the way he's performing, even on their handshake deal, he'll emerge as that star. Showtime has an offer on the table, and they didn't begrudge Mikey for checking other offers.

Golden Boy was never going to get a show on Showtime; not sure why folks are ignoring that point. Oscar had his offer and was likely hinging everything on being able to sell the fight to HBO to cover his ass.

Daniel Jacobs, after being built well on Showtime, crossed over to fight Golovkin on HBO, Showtime said very little about it, but Jacobs performed admirably enough that Showtime was still in the Daniel Jacobs business even in defeat (was supposed to be the co-feature to Wilder in Brooklyn).

Not sure why folks see this situation with Mikey being different