Boxing fans get what they derserve

[john l]

The fight is on YouTube, so you can see for yourself. Then again, you won't. Lol

I SEEN IT ALREADY and with LOMA(the bigger draw)signed with Top Rank u really think TR was not copromoting it at least then it just goes to show how you don't really understand boxing.Now I'm done Quit if you need to know my op on any of this just go back in thread ive repeated myself 2 many times already.have a good day

[john l]

One last thing I just seen about this nonfight.Dan Rafeal in his Chat said.He said he talked to Robert Garcia last nite and I quote"he said I don't know what the heck Mikey is doing and not sure what other deal even is"Now if that don't tell you something what hell does??????????????????????????????

[Madison Boxing]

garcia can do what he wants, hes certainly got nothing to be scared of from linares

[john l]

garcia can do what he wants, hes certainly got nothing to be scared of from linares

Well then lets not have fights!lets just let guys who think there the best(which Mikey prob is at 135)just have title until somone THINKS they can beat them.And then they can have title.Yea I like that smdh.

[Scipio2009]

If you think this fued is gonna last(unlike every other one in history)it just shows how long you have been around.And if you think show would not have bought this your crazy and even if they did not Micky has no exclusive deal with show so he could have also gone to HBO for this fight.But again I'm sick of writing this stuff over and over.And as far as rumors of Oscar not talking to STEVE ES THATS NOT THE WAY IT WORKS.They see if fighters really want to fight and then like he said it would then go to TV and see who has bigger offer because neither is signed to anyone.

Showtime was more than happy to go 7 years without bothering with Top Rank, and it's hilarious that you're bent on thinking that this is any different.

Linares has struck out on the Garcia fight; Garcia likely ends up fighting Robert Easter Jr in early 2018 on Showtime.

You're a fool if you think that Linares already has a TV date in hand.

[Scipio2009]

I SEEN IT ALREADY and with LOMA(the bigger draw)signed with Top Rank u really think TR was not copromoting it at least then it just goes to show how you don't really understand boxing.Now I'm done Quit if you need to know my op on any of this just go back in thread ive repeated myself 2 many times already.have a good day

All you see anywhere is Corona and Golden Boy Promotions plastered everywhere, with Top Rank nowhere to be seen.

You add that the fight was mandated for a vacant belt and it's beyond clear that you're full of ****.

[N/A]

Showtime needs a star more than they need champions at this point.

Boxing is way more complicated than that. It's all about maintaining long term control. Stars come and go. Stars get old. Stars lose. Other than one or two of the biggest stars, it's almost always more important to control the belts. But Showtime has gained ground by slowly accumulating control of more and more divisions and more and more champions in those divisions.

Showtime can do Garcia-Easter and risk nothing or they can do Garcia-Linares and risk a lot. Why would you risk a lot when instead you can risk nothing?

Mikey Garcia has the makings of being a star. If Mikey keeps performing the way he's performing, even on their handshake deal, he'll emerge as that star. Showtime has an offer on the table, and they didn't begrudge Mikey for checking other offers.

Showtime knows they can out spend HBO for anybody they want. They were never going to be at risk of losing Mikey as long as Linares was getting 50%. There was just no way for Mikey to make more money fighting Linares under those terms.

Golden Boy was never going to get a show on Showtime; not sure why folks are ignoring that point. Oscar had his offer and was likely hinging everything on being able to sell the fight to HBO to cover his ass.

And since HBO's budget is puny, there was no way for Mikey to make more money off the 50/50 split. So really, the GB offer wasn't a genuine offer. They knew Mikey would get better offers elsewhere.

Daniel Jacobs, after being built well on Showtime, crossed over to fight Golovkin on HBO, Showtime said very little about it, but Jacobs performed admirably enough that Showtime was still in the Daniel Jacobs business even in defeat (was supposed to be the co-feature to Wilder in Brooklyn).

Not sure why folks see this situation with Mikey being different

TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION. And since you're not sure why the situation is different, we'll be very happy to explain.

Showtime had no control of the middleweight division. Arum & Warren have the WBO locked up in practically every division. Even though Showtime (via Haymon) largely control the WBC/WBA/IBF in many divisions, GGG had all those belts at middleweight, meaning Showtime was pretty much boxed out of the division.

Haymon was able to get the fake WBA title for SHO so they could have some half assed title fights at middleweight, but the public could see through it and ratings were disappointing.

With Welter & Super Welter totally locked up, Haymon was biding his time until it was time to try to strike at middleweight. It was risky, but a risk worth taking because if Jacobs won, you just stole an entire division from HBO with no rematch clause and no recourse. A Jacobs win would have been absolutely devastating to HBO.

On the other hand, a Jacobs loss did little to no damage because there were no other fights to be made with Jacobs anyway and it was a division you had zero control over anyway.

That is the complete opposite of the situation at lightweight. SHO has the undefeated WBC and IBF champions. All HBO has is a three loss WBA champion. SHO doesn't have total control, but they largely have control of the division. Mikey vs Linares puts SHO in the position of risking losing the division to HBO with no rematch and no recourse. The exact opposite of the position SHO was in when it came to Jacobs.

[N/A]

I'm sure Mikey could have made counter offer.

GB keeps trying to make their offers public. Mikey prefers to negotiate in private. Why is that? Because GB's offers aren't legit offers. They're just designed to fool the public and sway public opinion. GB knows the fight doesn't get done at 50/50. It's a publicity stunt.

But I don't remember seeing in story that there would deff not be a poss of rematch clause.

You read what GB wants you to read. They play the media like a fiddle day in and day out while Haymon says nothing. Rafael is always going to paint GB's position in the most positive light possible.

GB just said they would not make him sign for future fights.We both know GB would love to get hands on Mickey and that was REAL reason they dropped that.I think they were hoping after fight that Mickey if treated right might sign.Or why else would they be so willing to match their guy up in a fight where he prob losses.

They were willing to match their guy up as long as the split was lopsided in their favor. Based on the realities of the marketplace, a Mikey-Linares fight should be at least 60/40 in Mikey's favor. GB was willing to take a chance and do the fight if the $ terms were too good to pass up.

I think it was a gamble on hoping Mikey might come around.Which also makes me think they would be open to any rematch clause.

But it's not like Linares fight paid more, but didn't have rematch possibilities, it paid LESS and didn't have rematch possibilities. Every single thing about the Easter fight is better. I'm not sure what there is even to discuss at this point. Mikey took the highest reward/lowest risk fight. It was a no brainer.

But we can go around and around on this.One thing ill say is (besides from a few cracks)you can debate like a REAL man without resorting to silly little name calling and acting like a keyboard tough guy.I don't see us agreeing on this though.

Always enjoy chatting with you man. This site is a cess pool generally, but you offer intelligent and civil discussion. We appreciate it very much.

[Scipio2009]

Boxing is way more complicated than that. It's all about maintaining long term control. Stars come and go. Stars get old. Stars lose. Other than one or two of the biggest stars, it's almost always more important to control the belts. But Showtime has gained ground by slowly accumulating control of more and more divisions and more and more champions in those divisions.

Showtime can do Garcia-Easter and risk nothing or they can do Garcia-Linares and risk a lot. Why would you risk a lot when instead you can risk nothing?




Showtime knows they can out spend HBO for anybody they want. They were never going to be at risk of losing Mikey as long as Linares was getting 50%. There was just no way for Mikey to make more money fighting Linares under those terms.




And since HBO's budget is puny, there was no way for Mikey to make more money off the 50/50 split. So really, the GB offer wasn't a genuine offer. They knew Mikey would get better offers elsewhere.




TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION. And since you're not sure why the situation is different, we'll be very happy to explain.

Showtime had no control of the middleweight division. Arum & Warren have the WBO locked up in practically every division. Even though Showtime (via Haymon) largely control the WBC/WBA/IBF in many divisions, GGG had all those belts at middleweight, meaning Showtime was pretty much boxed out of the division.

Haymon was able to get the fake WBA title for SHO so they could have some half assed title fights at middleweight, but the public could see through it and ratings were disappointing.

With Welter & Super Welter totally locked up, Haymon was biding his time until it was time to try to strike at middleweight. It was risky, but a risk worth taking because if Jacobs won, you just stole an entire division from HBO with no rematch clause and no recourse. A Jacobs win would have been absolutely devastating to HBO.

On the other hand, a Jacobs loss did little to no damage because there were no other fights to be made with Jacobs anyway and it was a division you had zero control over anyway.

That is the complete opposite of the situation at lightweight. SHO has the undefeated WBC and IBF champions. All HBO has is a three loss WBA champion. SHO doesn't have total control, but they largely have control of the division. Mikey vs Linares puts SHO in the position of risking losing the division to HBO with no rematch and no recourse. The exact opposite of the position SHO was in when it came to Jacobs.

If Mikey beats Easter Jr for the IBF belt, I foresee Showtime giving Mikey a bag to go and see if he can bring Linares over for the fight. Mikey would pick the promoter that he wanted to run the show, and Showtime will have as little to do with Oscar as possible, but I do see them taking that calculated risk with the fight. Shortly after that fight, Mikey moves to 140lbs anyway.

[Redd Foxx]

I think Easter is just as legit as Linares. I might might even pick Easter over Linares. I've no problem with Mikey picking either one.