I see a lot flip-flopping frauds on here

[GhostofDempsey]

Amazingly people buy it. "Calling out" but not realistically wanting the fight happens so much these days. Rigo did it for a while, Stevenson is another.

I remember Roy Jones in 2003 "I want Lennox Lewis for $100m" and that went nowhere so plenty of his fans went with it "OMG Lewis is ducking RJJ".

It's easy to call out when you don't intend to follow through but it's a way of looking feared and like you wanted the fight. I'm a Mikey Garcia fan but unfortunately I sort of get that vibe off of him lately however he has fought good opposition.

Wilder doesn't have the wins to fall back on to look legit. If the fight doesn't happen because he prices himself out your looking back on a nearly decade long career that doesn't even include one B level (or even a C level fighter) so he won't have a leg to stand on when he's claiming to be most ducked.

I like Mikey Garcia and respect him for looking for new challenges, but he has to be careful not to burn too many bridges with promoters if he wants the big fights. Part of me feels as though he may have left TR so he could avoid an inevitable clash with Crawford. I'm still undecided on Mikey. I would like to see him in with Loma or Crawford, but I'm not sure either he or Arum want to do business with one another.

I don't blame him for not signing with GBP to get Cotto, but he's going to have to come to some sort of deal to get Linares. Seems it would have made sense to sign a three-fight deal that would have gotten him Cotto and Linares at a minimum, then one fight left on contract.

[NaijaD]

I think he deserves more than Charles Martin got. I don't really care about the split as I'm not a promoter and neither fighter is breaking bread with me. I just want to see the fight happen.

You know how this site is with fan boys man, don't know why you're surprised

If I could have it my way the fight would be happening next, I don't want Wilder vs Whyte or Joshua vs Parker personally. I'd rather we got AJ vs Wilder at Wembley in April next year. That's the fight that will get this forum blazing with life. I've said from day one that Joshua will bodybag Wilder and I'll take that prediction (and all the blowback if it's wrong) with me to my grave.

The thing is people think that if you point out the behind the scenes factors like money and splits then you're scared or not a real fan. It's not the case, I'm just aware of what it will take for the fight to get made and why it might not happen right away.

As long as we get it in 2018 I'm nice and easy. I'm always a fan of the sport before any fighter.

[bigjavi973]

Because Wilder is getting a career high payday no matter the split but depending on what he asks for then Joshua stands to possibly lose money. If Joshua is making less or the same as he usually does then it's an issue.

Do you get it now?? Or does AJ have to be American before you understand why negotiations are a key aspect and possible hurdle??

this bullshitter:

It's a no brainer in my opinion, 3 million is way more than Wilder will get fighting any other opponent in the US and the Whyte fight will give Wilder some much needed UK exposure to build towards the AJ fight which will most likely be in the UK.

"Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua is Either Scared or He's Doping - Make The Fight!"

I agree with Wilder on this, this fight needs to happen in 2018...... Joshua doesn't need to wait Wilder out, he's there to be knocked out right now. The division isn't stacked so the fight can't really marinate without creatig unrest and frustration amongst fans.

No need for Joshua to delay making this fight beyond 2018.... Wilder is going to sleep whenever it happens so let's get it done ASAP!

you either want the fight to happen or are happy making excuses as to why it shouldnt happen.

talking about flip flopping.....

[HarvardBlue]

Just like every other big fight it will happen eventually. These two boxers will have to face each other at some point. I don't get all the back and forth on this. Right now it just seems like a lot of chatter for no reason. I don't even get what the two sides (fans) are arguing about.

[NaijaD]

this bullshitter:

"Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua is Either Scared or He's Doping - Make The Fight!"






you either want the fight to happen or are happy making excuses as to why it shouldnt happen.

talking about flip flopping.....

First off that Whyte quote is from way before both Wilder and Joshuas recent fights so they still had mandatories. I have never pushed for a Whyte fight over a AJ vs Wilder fight so nice try. Post the link to the quote if I'm lying.

So because I understand that there is plenty of negotiating to be done it means I can't want the fight to happen next year???

You'd have a point if I said the fight doesn't need to happen now or that AJ isn't ready or needs time.

How dumb are you, like seriously..... where is the flip flop?

I've always wanted the fight to happen ASAP and still do lol.

You Wilder fanboys are a special kind of dumb. TRY AGAIN!

[chrisJS]

I like Mikey Garcia and respect him for looking for new challenges, but he has to be careful not to burn too many bridges with promoters if he wants the big fights. Part of me feels as though he may have left TR so he could avoid an inevitable clash with Crawford. I'm still undecided on Mikey. I would like to see him in with Loma or Crawford, but I'm not sure either he or Arum want to do business with one another.

I don't blame him for not signing with GBP to get Cotto, but he's going to have to come to some sort of deal to get Linares. Seems it would have made sense to sign a three-fight deal that would have gotten him Cotto and Linares at a minimum, then one fight left on contract.

That's possible too. I doubt Mikey didn't like his chances against Gamboa but you never know but Mikey was the guy who recommended to TR to sign Crawford so he knew/knows how good he is from his amateur days so it's possible new contract talks involved a fight with Crawford next?

But now it's easy to say you he wants Lomachenko and Crawford knowing how difficult it is to strike a deal with TR now given the relationships and fact he said he's fighting only on Showtime. Some of his fans will lap it up but I view with more skepticism. Him burning bridges with GBP could really freeze him out of top quality fights would be a shame given he's entering his prime.

[Floyd is TBE]

I don't think any of those comparisons are good. Wilder vs AJ doesn't need to be built up, that's just Hearns feeding the fans BS. Hearns is stalling because he doesn't have much confidence in AJ beating Wilder. Maybe it's not fair to say AJ is ducking but Hearns definitely does not want to make this fight at the moment.

Right now the fight would be huge in Vegas or the UK. What the **** is Wilder beating Whyte going to do? This isn't like Tank vs Loma where you have two nobodies in terms of mainstream appeal both wanting huge purses. The economics and politics of that fight are more comparable to Ward/Kov than AJ/Wilder.

[bigjavi973]

So because I understand that there is plenty of negotiating to be done it means I can't want the fight to happen next year???

You'd have a point if I said the fight doesn't need to happen now or that AJ isn't ready or needs time.

How dumb are you, like seriously..... where is the flip flop?

I've always wanted the fight to happen ASAP and still do lol.

You Wilder fanboys are a special kind of dumb. TRY AGAIN!

blah blah blah

you got busted flip flopping on your own flip flopping thread.

It's a no brainer in my opinion, 3 million is way more than Wilder will get fighting any other opponent in the US and the Whyte fight will give Wilder some much needed UK exposure to build towards the AJ fight which will most likely be in the UK. It's a win-win unless Wilder thinks he might lose to Whyte.

but then you write:

The division isn't stacked so the fight can't really marinate without creatig unrest and frustration amongst fans.

No need for Joshua to delay making this fight beyond 2018.... Wilder is going to sleep whenever it happens so let's get it done ASAP!

get your hypocrite ass somewhere else.

[NaijaD]

blah blah blah

you got busted flip flopping on your own flip flopping thread.



but then you write:








get your hypocrite ass somewhere else.

You're full of crap.... you quote me from an old thread when Joshua and Wilder still had mandatories, that post is from way before Wilder even signed to fight Ortiz/Stiverne.

Why wouldn't a Whyte fight have been good back then when Joshua WASNT FREE???

Since they both have no mandatory obligations I've been clear saying the fight needs to happen.

PLUSSSS why would I go from saying Wilder needs to fight Whyte to later on saying he needs to fight Joshua instead. Wouldn't it be the other way around if I was trying to flip flop and say the fight needs to be delayed all of a sudden?? Looool

Like I said, nice try ****head.

[Real King Kong]

as much as I'd like to see this fight now...the more I think about it, it doesn't make sense overall. it needs to build a bit. an ideal situation would be for these guys to eliminate other top contenders and make their fight for true heavyweight supremacy. one of them should unify with parker and the other fight povetkin/Ortiz/fury at the very least. there's enough decent guys in the division to do a single elimination mini tournament type thing really. I only think this way cuz I'm not a big fan of either guy tho.