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  • Originally posted by koolkc107 View Post
    I will remind you still one more time to stop pulling shyt out of your arse and start citing sources for what you contend.

    What BS!!!!




    You ask for sources yet where was your source for your BS responses?



    the BS paramedic = hangover clinic who makes money by providing IVs!!!! WAKE UP!!! Who else would be providing "vitamin IV"?



    All you had to do was ask:
    Is this good enough for you? Is this a link to Floyd haters? Ooops!

    What does it say? Does it state what you made up or what I stated?

    http://rehydrate.org/diarrhoea/tmsdd/5med.htm


    Next time you come back with actual evidence of your BS.

    Floyd weighed 146 + drank adequately. Now read the link above. Do you see the problem now?


    You do not just say that " I was extremely dehydrated".
    It's got to make sense but in Floyd's case, he was 9% or the full 10% off!!!


    Severe dehydration: >10% body weight loss in fluids. (see link above)

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    • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
      What BS!!!!




      You ask for sources yet where was your source for your BS responses?



      the BS paramedic = hangover clinic who makes money by providing IVs!!!! WAKE UP!!!



      All you had to do was ask:
      Is this good enough for you? Is this a link to Floyd haters? Ooops!

      What does it say? Does it state what you made up or what I stated?

      http://rehydrate.org/diarrhoea/tmsdd/5med.htm


      Next time you come back with actual evidence of your BS.

      Floyd weighed 146 + drank adequately. Now read the link above. Do you see the problem now?


      You do not just say that " I was extremely dehydrated".
      It's got to make sense but in Floyd's case, he was 9% or the full 10% off!!!



      Severe dehydration: >10% body weight loss in fluids. (see link above)

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      **** **** ****!!

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      • Originally posted by WesternChamp View Post
        well.... got'em.
        Originally posted by WesternChamp View Post
        **** **** ****!!
        These guys just deflect because they have no response.

        but when they want to, they can check up Floyd's weight.

        but when they want to, most wouldn't even call other boxers who drain themselves ~15-20lbs drained at the weigh-in since it was against there hero Floyd (Canelo/Corralles) but Floyd? Yes he was?


        Diego Corrales: "No he was not drained because he fought again at that weight after that fight" - Floyd fan

        Although there was plenty of reports of Diego being drained.



        But Floyd fought against Berto after Manny.




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        • I don't need to cite sources for common knowledge.

          And I don't need to cite sources for logical conclusions.

          We know paramedics cannot just be summoned to a home and ordered to dispense drugs or treatment.

          That's why they are licensed and that's why they need to be bonded.

          But, when I put forth something as fact when in truth it is a theory, I DO need to cite sources for conjecture that does not normally follow or that deviates from realistic assumptions. And I need to cite sources for contentions not commonly known or accepted but which DO have factual basis.

          You don't do any of that.



          We know that Floyd called a paramedic.

          We can assume that paramedic was reputable and professional because:

          A) a USADA DCO was right there and
          B) a panel of doctors who reviewed the TUE found it compliant.

          There was no "IV mill" for hungover people in all probability...and even if there was, that doesn't mean they were not competent when it come to this.

          But again, if Floyd is cheating and expending all this effort and time and money to do so, why would he call some fly by night paramedic service that would likely run to the National Enquirer the first chance they got?

          See, you have to try and make some sense, C-3PO.

          Especially if we are going to take this to WADA.

          Right now, you are coming off as some kinda raving lunatic whose grasp of reality is slipping.

          You need to fix that, you need to be more coherent.

          Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
          What BS!!!!




          You ask for sources yet where was your source for your BS responses?



          the BS paramedic = hangover clinic who makes money by providing IVs!!!! WAKE UP!!! Who else would be providing "vitamin IV"?



          All you had to do was ask:
          Is this good enough for you? Is this a link to Floyd haters? Ooops!

          What does it say? Does it state what you made up or what I stated?

          http://rehydrate.org/diarrhoea/tmsdd/5med.htm


          Next time you come back with actual evidence of your BS.

          Floyd weighed 146 + drank adequately. Now read the link above. Do you see the problem now?


          You do not just say that " I was extremely dehydrated".
          It's got to make sense but in Floyd's case, he was 9% or the full 10% off!!!


          Severe dehydration: >10% body weight loss in fluids. (see link above)

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          • Originally posted by koolkc107 View Post
            I don't need to cite sources for common knowledge.

            And I don't need to cite sources for logical conclusions.

            We know paramedics cannot just be summoned to a home and ordered to dispense drugs or treatment.

            That's why they are licensed and that's why they need to be bonded.

            But, when I put forth something as fact when in truth it is a theory, I DO need to cite sources for conjecture that does not normally follow or that deviates from realistic assumptions. And I need to cite sources for contentions not commonly known or accepted but which DO have factual basis.

            You don't do any of that.



            We know that Floyd called a paramedic.

            We can assume that paramedic was reputable and professional because:

            A) a USADA DCO was right there and
            B) a panel of doctors who reviewed the TUE found it compliant.

            There was no "IV mill" for hungover people in all probability...and even if there was, that doesn't mean they were not competent when it come to this.

            But again, if Floyd is cheating and expending all this effort and time and money to do so, why would he call some fly by night paramedic service that would likely run to the National Enquirer the first chance they got?

            See, you have to try and make some sense, C-3PO.

            Especially if we are going to take this to WADA.

            Right now, you are coming off as some kinda raving lunatic whose grasp of reality is slipping.

            You need to fix that, you need to be more coherent.

            WOW!!!! You come back with no sources and links and it's all cool??? WTF!


            SORRY, but I have been asking you for sources to you stating that it's the paramedic's call not Floyd's.

            If the paramedic gives Floyd a substance or method that is against WADA rules and there is a legal alternative .... it will end up being Floyd's responsibility and FAULT not the BS paramedic which more than likely is a BS hangover IV clinic that makes money giving IVs!!!!


            I have asked you enough times.
            Where is your source for your BS excuse? Your BS excuse CONTRADICTs what I stated above and what I stated above is similar to what WADA states!!!



            Where is the LINK TO YOUR SOURCE!!!






            Here are more sources from MY END. It's time that you put out or SHUT UP!!!


            WADA:
            "It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific evidence to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred the****utic choice, potentially even more effective than IV infusion."




            Here is a math question for you.
            Floyd weighed 146 and wants to reach up to 147 or 148 or 149 with fluids. How many cup of fluids are required?
            Between 3 to 9 cups of fluid is required.

            Now go check out the size of bottles that Floyd was drinking from! WHOAAAA!!!!

            USADA
            guidelines for proper hydration
            •Monitor fluid losses: Weigh-in before and after training, especially during hot weather and conditioning phases of the season
            For each pound lost during exercise, drink three cups of fluid

            WADA Q & A
            Question: If my team doctor prescribes me medicine and I test positive as a result it is his/her fault, not mine?


            Answer: False.

            Explanation: Your doctor may be sanctioned for giving you bad advice and unsuitable treatment, but you should trust no-one but yourself when it comes to what you put in or on your
            body. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU TAKE!
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            • See now you are pulling shyt out your azz and while Travestyny and DoSumpthin may take pleasure in taking the time to trounce you fools, I most certainly do not.

              Furthermore, I am not in the business of answering straw man arguments.

              Floyd got an IV consisting of substances that were not in and of themselves illegal. There is no reason to think anything was being masked because in addition to passing tests given in the months of camp, the sample taken right before the IV matched everything else. The IV itself was given by a licensed medical professional and later reviewed and approved by a board of physicians who issued a retroactive TUE as per WADA regulations.

              That is ground zero.

              That is fact.

              Those are the pertinent facts you need to deal with.

              If you are going to forward conspiracy theories, speculation is not going to do here.

              You need a paper trail or some kind of smoking gun that isn't conjured by half-drunken bitterness.

              And you cannot alter that with addle-brained speculation that is not even possible much less probable and lacks any connection to any relevant facts.

              In other words...GTFOOH with that bullshyt.

              A medical professional determined Floyd needed the IV.

              A DCO observed the paramedic make that assessment and was fine with it, doing his due diligence collecting samples as his job required.

              A WADA-accredited review board granted the TUE.

              And all of this was reported in May when the fight took place.

              Show me your posts from May 2015 complaining about a TUE that should not have been given.

              Or admit you lack any ability to think for yourself, are simply parroting what you heard because it helps you deal with your hero's azzkicking a little better, and then- most importantly- STFU!!!!!!

              Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
              WOW!!!! You come back with no sources and links and it's all cool??? WTF!


              SORRY, but I have been asking you for sources to you stating that it's the paramedic's call not Floyd's.

              If the paramedic gives Floyd a substance or method that is against WADA rules and there is a legal alternative .... it will end up being Floyd's responsibility and FAULT not the BS paramedic which more than likely is a BS hangover IV clinic that makes money giving IVs!!!!


              I have asked you enough times.
              Where is your source for your BS excuse? Your BS excuse CONTRADICTs what I stated above and what I stated above is similar to what WADA states!!!



              Where is the LINK TO YOUR SOURCE!!!






              Here are more sources from MY END. It's time that you put out or SHUT UP!!!








              Here is a math question for you.
              Floyd weighed 146 and wants to reach up to 147 or 148 or 149 with fluids. How many cup of fluids are required?
              Between 3 to 9 cups of fluid is required.

              Now go check out the size of bottles that Floyd was drinking from! WHOAAAA!!!!




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              • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                So here you are OK with talking about weight discrepancies!!!


                Look at those weights. Floyd was right. He made 147 EASILY for a decade including the Manny fight!!!!


                Yet you Floyd fans believe that Floyd was extremely dehydrated at the weigh in and required BANNED IVs?




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                1. The conversation was about fight night weights. I gave fight night weights. Notice that the cheerleader that it was posted to didn't respond.

                2. If you stop ducking and wanted to discuss this the right way, you would have answered my question regarding this. The same Floyd was dehydrated for Mosley. If he because dehydrated during training for Pac and never rehydrated properly, could that affect him? I've asked a billion times and you've ducked it. I don't know how many more ways or times I can ask that, so I'm just going to accept that you've chosen to duck it and leave it alone.

                You can't even admit when you've been proven wrong. You made 3 posts about Galen Rupp and said I would deflect. When I responded with rock solid proof that you were wrong and turned the tables asking you to admit you were wrong, you never ever mentioned it again and still won't mention it.

                It's over, DEFLECTOR.

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                • Originally posted by koolkc107 View Post
                  See now you are pulling shyt out your azz and while Travestyny and DoSumpthin may take pleasure in taking the time to trounce you fools, I most certainly do not.

                  Furthermore, I am not in the business of answering straw man arguments.

                  Floyd got an IV consisting of substances that were not in and of themselves illegal. There is no reason to think anything was being masked because in addition to passing tests given in the months of camp, the sample taken right before the IV matched everything else. The IV itself was given by a licensed medical professional and later reviewed and approved by a board of physicians who issued a retroactive TUE as per WADA regulations.

                  That is ground zero.

                  That is fact.

                  Those are the pertinent facts you need to deal with.

                  If you are going to forward conspiracy theories, speculation is not going to do here.

                  You need a paper trail or some kind of smoking gun that isn't conjured by half-drunken bitterness.

                  And you cannot alter that with addle-brained speculation that is not even possible much less probable and lacks any connection to any relevant facts.

                  In other words...GTFOOH with that bullshyt.

                  A medical professional determined Floyd needed the IV.

                  A DCO observed the paramedic make that assessment and was fine with it, doing his due diligence collecting samples as his job required.

                  A WADA-accredited review board granted the TUE.

                  And all of this was reported in May when the fight took place.

                  Show me your posts from May 2015 complaining about a TUE that should not have been given.

                  Or admit you lack any ability to think for yourself, are simply parroting what you heard because it helps you deal with your hero's azzkicking a little better, and then- most importantly- STFU!!!!!!

                  Like I said, you will be DEFLECTING just like your friend Travestyny.


                  Just tell me the truth. YOU GOT NOTHING!!!



                  If the paramedic gives Floyd a substance or method that is against WADA rules and there is a legal alternative .... it will end up being Floyd's responsibility and FAULT not the BS paramedic which more than likely is a BS hangover IV clinic that makes money giving IVs!!!!


                  No sources, no links to my question and more specifically to your incorrect statement.

                  Why no sources.....? Because you know that I am right and that you are WRONG!!!!


                  It's FLOYD that is RESPONSIBLE as far as WADA is concerned NOT the paramedic. So stop it with your incorrect statements.


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                  • Originally posted by travestyny View Post
                    1. The conversation was about fight night weights. I gave fight night weights. Notice that the cheerleader that it was posted to didn't respond.

                    2. If you stop ducking and wanted to discuss this the right way, you would have answered my question regarding this. The same Floyd was dehydrated for Mosley. If he because dehydrated during training for Pac and never rehydrated properly, could that affect him? I've asked a billion times and you've ducked it. I don't know how many more ways or times I can ask that, so I'm just going to accept that you've chosen to duck it and leave it alone.

                    You can't even admit when you've been proven wrong. You made 3 posts about Galen Rupp and said I would deflect. When I responded with rock solid proof that you were wrong and turned the tables asking you to admit you were wrong, you never ever mentioned it again and still won't mention it.

                    It's over, DEFLECTOR.


                    1. My point was that you seem to be OK with understanding that Floyd weighs in at close to 146-147 for his WW fights but stay away from this subject when it comes to Floyd's IV scandal!!!

                    You would think that if you are capable of making the type of comparisons that you are making, realizing that Floyd is comfortable at 146 and not extremely dehydrated would make sense to you and call out your hero Floyd by now!


                    2. With Mosley, I asked you for the video but now you are saying that you do not have it. So how can we discuss?

                    Plus, it is irrelevant. Floyd was training excessively and it's normal to be dehydrated. At the time of the weigh-in, there would be none of that. Floyd said that he would be relaxing, remember? Just doing "a little bit".

                    Plus we do not have any statistics to compare with.

                    If you would come out training with me, you would get it. It would all make sense to you but unfortunately, you are a keyboard warrior who cannot and will not admit that there is something clearly wrong.


                    You must explain to me what you do not get??????

                    If in that Mosley video, Floyd trains hard and perspires a lot for an extended period, HE WILL LOSE WEIGHT!!!!



                    In the weigh-in for the Manny fight, Floyd came in like he always did ..... 146 and admits to making it EASILY and Floyd said that he walks around that weight.


                    PLUS all those other points (vital signs normal, ....)


                    So as you see, I have NO PROBLEM discussing this subject but you seem to want to compare apples with oranges and YOU do not want to understand any of this.






                    and on that other subject, I have yet to even read your post(s)!!!


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                    • Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      Internet doctor? BUT are you not the keyboard warrior?
                      I suppose I am since I've been kicking your ass all over this place. You seem upset about that.


                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      WTF man, you have just found a new way of DEFLECTING!!!
                      How did you deflect from Galen Rupp? I Remember you sending 3 posts in a row about that, when I proved you wrong, you refused to mention it again. DEFLECTOR.


                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      You want me to answer your points even though you have been baffled for 2+ years on what to say when it comes to Floyd case, health wise?
                      Dude, it was YOU who asked ME to respond about Galen Rupp because you said I was wrong. When I responded and proved I was RIGHT and in fact YOU were WRONG, you stopped mentioning it. This is confirmed. You have no honor.

                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      For those points:
                      I told you already.
                      What if the DCO determines a reason to stop the sample collection. He would be providing those samples only to the WADA LAB. Is that too hard to understand?
                      We've already discussed this. But if you want more, then fine.

                      From WADA's Doping Control Officer’s Training Tool Kit

                      NOTE: If during the sample collection session, a sample is deemed by the DCO and/or Athlete to be unsuitable, or if there are doubts as to the origin or authenticity of the sample, the Athlete shall be asked to provide an additional sample.
                      11. If the specific gravity measurement is outside of the required range, the Athlete should be informed that his/her initial sample does not meet the specifications and an additional sample will be collected. All samples collected from an Athlete will be processed and shipped to the laboratory for analysis and reporting. Please refer to the Additional Sample Procedure (See reference 6.5).
                      https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...v3_full_en.pdf
                      That's first of all. Second, the only way the doping control session would be stopped is if it becomes impossible for logistical purposes. I've already shown the standard that if Floyd is physically, hygienically, and morally able to complete the sample, he must do so.

                      The logic of the anti-doping tests demands and expects that whenever physically, hygienically and morally possible, the sample be provided despite objections by the athlete.
                      https://jurisprudence.tas-cas.org/Sh...ments/3341.pdf
                      Logistical reasons would therefore have nothing to do with an athlete who can physically piss, as Floyd could. We know this. Now the only thing that could happen which fits the logistical scenario mentioned above is contaminated collection vessels.

                      Check it out:


                      WADA uses Berlinger kits. They come straight from the Berlinger factory and they are confirmed uncontaminated and sealed in packages that make it clear if they were tampered with.

                      Each BEREG-KITŪ Geneva is packed in a styrofoam box which is sealed with a tamper-evident void tape.

                      All outer packaging is pre-sealed with a tear-off foil strip / security sticker

                      Each bottle / container is pre-sealed with secure shrink wrapping

                      Each BEREG-KITŪ Geneva contains two glass bottles: an orange A bottle and a blue B bottle, each with its own security cap and each sealed with a shrink sleeve wrap. Each BEREG-KITŪ Geneva is uniquely numbered, with the number shown on all its components: the styrofoam box, the bottles and their security caps.


                      Strict guidelines and standards
                      As a provider of "sensitive components", our hardware and software products must meet strict standards during development, production and testing. Validation processes must be followed and quality controls implemented at all levels.


                      http://www.berlinger.com/drug-and-do...r-human-tests/
                      You're telling me that there were no suitable collection kit when they come pre-sealed with tamper evident tape from the factory??? And again, at least 2 of these would have to be contaminated. Are you going to say Berlinger is a part of this conspiracy theory now?

                      Ok, so if that is settled, then that means anything that could have contaminated the bottles would have to have been done after Mayweather took them out, and this would have to be reported on the sample collection form by the DCO. Do you really think that the DCO is going to upload to ADAMS something like, "Athlete dropped first bottle and then the second. We agreed they were contaminated. We terminated the session." And this is sitting in the database to explain why diluted samples were sent.

                      Dude....it's over.



                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      If Floyd produced exactly 90ml and dropped in Sample A and B container and had no urine left over then there would be no urine to test for SG!!!

                      Even in your gif, the DCO extracted more than a drop as its not easy to sniff out 1 drop from the container! The DCO had in the dropper closer to several ml of urine. From that, he placed the drop into the refractometer.

                      We do not know what the DCO would use. There are 2 methods. If done by way of the dip stick, well, you cannot dip into a drop of urine!!!
                      Stop.

                      More from the WADA DCO manual

                      NOTE: When pouring urine into the A and B bottles the DCO will instruct the Athlete to leave a residual amount (<2ml) in the collection vessel.
                      Less than 2ml. That is for the dipstick OR refactometer, which USADA clearly uses because they used it in the Mosley fight. Even if they used the dipstick, there is no difference.



                      I can't believe you have the nerve to keep going with this when it was already proven false. The DCO is required to get the specific gravity.

                      9 The DCO is required to measure the sample’s specific gravity. If it does not meet certain requirements, you will be asked to provide another sample.
                      https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...-2015-code.pdf
                      So if the athlete is required to give 90ml at a minimum, and the DCO is required to take the specific gravity, that makes it clear that WADA is not worried about the drop of urine that is necessary for this test. LITERALLY A DROP! Come on, dude. You are being ****ing ridiculous and you know it.

                      THIS MAKES ABSOLUTE NO SENSE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE DCO DOESN'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO CHECK THE SPECIFIC GRAVITY, BUT JUST SENDS IT OFF WITHOUT DOING HIS/HER JOB. DOES THA MAKE ANY ****ING SENSE TO YOU???

                      FROM THE ISTI

                      For the Steroidal Module, this additional information is required:
                      p) pH of the urine Sample.
                      q) Specific gravity of the urine Sample.
                      JUST STOP!!! IT'S OVER!

                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      Back to you being baffled for 2+ years on what to say when it comes to Floyd's case, health wise?

                      You know, you have numbers, statistics, look up WADA documents but you cannot get close to the true issue that we have here.

                      Floyd was not extremely dehydrated!!!

                      Floyd drank adequately and there is plenty of evidence for that now!!!!!

                      146 + drinking adequately = Floyd was NOT extremely dehydrated.


                      Severe dehydration: >10% body weight loss in fluids




                      Your only come back is that FLoyd went for a jog???
                      a) but Floyd's weight!!!! It's the same as usual!!!

                      b) but Floyd's interviews contradict your point (Relax and go to the gym a little bit to stay sharp)

                      c) Alez Ariza's interviews contradict your point in several respects.
                      - Ariza said that he does it by the numbers and its all planned from day #1. He monitors his fighter.
                      - Ariza said that he felt that it was Manny who looked drained and over-trained and meant that he felt otherwise when it came to his guy, Floyd.
                      - Ariza does NOT recommend long jogs as it does not simulate a boxing fights tempo!

                      d) Training hard is over at that point bud. It's counter productive when your fight is the next day!



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                      Your other come back is that FLoyd had the runs???
                      a) but Floyd's weight!!!! It's the same as usual!!! Check out the stats in YOUR other post!

                      b) The runs: but the points that I verified (severe dehydration > 10% body weight loss of fluids) include someone who has the runs!!!

                      c) Could you see Floyd having the runs and jogging. That is not a good mix.?
                      Stop. This has been explained over and over. No one knows what he may have had unless they examined him. I've asked you over and over if he had become dehydrated at some point during training, as he was for the Mosley fight, and never rehydrated properly, how would that affect him. Again, you won't answer. If you are just going to duck, then there is no reason to continue.

                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      Actually here is someone who had an acute medical problem and was given an IV. This dude went to the hospital and the doctors stated that he can't fight! Fight was cancelled ....


                      What did USADA do?
                      Was it a rubber stamped RETRO TUE that was provided the next day? NO WAY!


                      This guy, McCall, was thoroughly vetted and the process took months!!!


                      He was supposed to fight on February 10 and requested for a RETROACTIVE TUE soon after in February
                      BUT
                      it took USADA to complete their thorough investigation and approve the RETRO TUE nearly 4 months!!! ==>>> June 9.
                      Did he have the DCO with him at the time? Was there any urgency being that the fight was canceled? How long should it take 3 doctors and medical experts to decide if someone was dehydrated enough for an IV? When was the application received? When was the application first reviewed? These are obvious questions. Look here:

                      Article from February 20th:
                      McCall explained how he had been enjoying the “easiest weight-cut” of his career in the lead-up to his scheduled fight with American Jarred Brook, however a sudden-bout of sickness prompted officials to act several hours before the bout was scheduled to take place.

                      “I woke up Saturday at 131 [lbs], so I’d only gained 4 pounds because the UFC gave me two IV bags.”

                      Joe Rogan quizzed McCall on the UFC providing him with IV bags for recovery, something the promotion banned due to health and safety precautions protecting fighters from potential dehydration and PED masking issues mid-way through 2016, McCall went onto claim:

                      “They were doing it as a precaution, because either way I was going to need it. I got some sort of an exemption but I didn’t even have to use it in the end because I got pulled from the fight.
                      Now my question is...does USADA announce tings late? It seems odd that he claimed to have an exemption in February yet it was announced 4 months later. Also...

                      here:

                      The TUEC shall decide whether or not to grant the application as soon as possible, and usually (i.e., unless exceptional circumstances apply) within no more than 21 days of receipt of a complete application.
                      It's supposed to be ASAP....and within no more than 21 days. Hmm.

                      Dude. It's over.


                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      Remember what you said. It was just a simple IV. Shouldn't it have been rubber stamped in a day or two? What gives???
                      If it's such an easy process, why are you now deflecting to another athlete instead of going with your initial Galen Rupp story. Wasn't that shot down? You should hear what Salazar says about USADA's TUE process. Maybe then you'll understand why he avoided it.

                      The USADA and IAAF TUE process is very rigorous process. Medical doctors must submit substantial medical records to support an athlete’s request for a TUE. The medical professionals at the IAAF and/or USADA then closely scrutinize those documents. It is serious process and review. It is not a rubber stamp that can be easily manipulated.
                      https://nikeoregonproject.com/blogs/...-letter-part-1

                      YOU BROUGHT THIS GUY UP AS YOUR DEFENSE, AND HIS QUOTATIONS SUPPORT ME! I ESPECIALLY LIKE THE "NOT A RUBBER STAMP" PART!!!!!

                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      - thorough investigation????
                      - For a retroactive TUE application process?????
                      - potential violation????
                      - his use of a prohibited method will not result in an anti-doping policy violation?????

                      Man, did you read the statements from USADA? This guy was even sent to the hospital and didn't even fight yet there was still a thorough investigation.

                      With Floyd, they chose their words carefully, protected him like crazy and like I told you, USADA didn't do no freaking thorough investigation!!!!
                      .

                      Then let's right to WADA or Fancy Bears and see what we can do.

                      But I refuse to work with someone who doesn't operate in good faith.


                      Admit you were wrong about these things:

                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      j) Finally, it's not mandatory that the DCO take or should I say, have a SG reading. If Floyd is having trouble even producing a urine sample, then there would be no urine left over to test for SG ... DCO would put a note that its OK due to Floyd's BS dehydration and expect a TUE note from the FLoyd's doctor to explain all this.
                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      - As stated in previous posts, its possible that there is no specific gravity taken since Floyd had trouble producing enough urine to begin with!!! That is, there is not enough urine to fill up the sample A and B but adequate (60-90ml) but with no residual urine. Then calls it a day.
                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      4) The case above about "coach Alberto Salazar and his athletes".

                      YOU WERE WRONG AGAIN!!!

                      They tried to manipulate every which way they can including getting BS TUEs!!!!! LOL ...

                      YOU BEGGED ME TO RESPOND ABOUT SALAZAR...NOW YOU WON'T MENTION IT AT ALL! YOU ARE STILL SPREADING LIES THAT THE DCO CAN FORGO TAKING THE SPECIFIC GRAVITY OF A SAMPLE. YOU REFUSE TO FESS UP TO ANY OF YOUR LIES THAT WERE EXPOSED IN THE PREVIOUS POSTS I SENT TO YOU. YOU REFUSE TO FESS UP THAT YOU WERE WRONG WHEN YOUR INFORMATION HAS BEEN EXPOSED AS INCORRECT WITHOUT ANY DOUBT.

                      YOU ALSO AGREED WITH THE ORIGINAL POST, BUT YOU WON'T COMMENT ON IT:

                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      Actually there were plenty of people who knew about the IV. If any one of them brought it up, it would spell big trouble for not just Floyd and his doctor, ....... also USADA!!!
                      UNTIL YOU CONFESS ABOUT SALAZAR, THE SPG BEING REQUIRED, AND THAT IT MAKES ZERO SENSE THAT THE DCO STOPPED THE COLLECTION PROCESSS...
                      IT'S OVER.
                      Last edited by travestyny; 11-10-2017, 06:53 PM.

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