GGG's Legacy

[Johnny2x2x]

Again, you can argue whether he should or shouldn't have been all you want. That's another story.

But the fact is he ranked #3 P4P across the board. Not just by The Ring. Again, fact.

And you are wrong again, you get dropped from the rankings if you don't have a fight sceduled in 12 months and he was sceduled to fight Andre Berto in January 2010. That's why he kept his #3 ranking.

#3 P4P, people saying he didn't deserve that high of a ranking are stating their opinions, but it's an actual fact that most boxing experts had him top 3 P4P in ranking when he fought Mayweather.

I don't agree with GGG being top 3 P4P right now, that's simply my opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that most experts have him top 3 P4P right now and that puts my opinion in the minority. So if someone beats GGG, then they're going to have that achievement on their record, beating a top 3 P4P guy near their weight class.

If boxing experts thought Mosely was too long in tooth and wasn't boxing well, they would have dropped him from their rankings, they didn't. You can't reinvent history just because it's your opinion. It's an actual provable fact that Mosely was #3 P4P in all of the major rankings at that time.

People are ridiculous. Your opinion doesn't change history. History will show that Mayweather beat a top 3 P4P Mosely. Just like history will show that Canelo drew with a top 3 P4P GGG, whether I agree or not.

So I can say that I think GGG is overrated at top 3 P4P, but my opinion is different from the experts and basically boxing as a whole. 10 years from now, no one's going to care about my opinion, but they'll be able to look back and go, yup GGG was a top 3 P4P fighter then, that's a fact.

[chrisJS]

when you are trying to compare top 10, all-time great fighters to flash in the pan paper champs, its very obvious to me that a lot of these dudes don't have a clue...

I just have fun with it. I mean they criticize a fighter for moving into a division which wasn't even invented and say the fighters ducked other fights who's names they don't know and speak on fights they haven't seen. They even pretend 1984 happened before 1983 for example to suit their agendas. It's a fanboy thing I guess.

[IronDanHamza]

its also a fact that shane was a shopworn fighter....

if ya can't see that your "facts" have no real substance supporting it, then I don't know what to tell you....

Well that is more of an opinion as opposed to fact.

My facts have no real substance? What? The fact that he was P4P #3 is actually documented.

[djtmal]

[QUOTE=The Big Dunn;18114365]Don't you get it yet IronDan? When Floyd is the topic of discussion facts do not matter, only opinions. So no matter where Mosley was, CJS, djtmal, and others will go with their opinion of where he was otherwise they would have to give credit to Floyd, which they will not do.

You damn right. Ain't nothing wrong with digging underneath the surface and getting the truth, and I'm not giving credit where it ain't due for you, Dan, Larry, or no Floyd boy, sooo, just because Shane Mosley was ranked #3 p4p after a resurrection win on Margarito, doesn't mean he actually was. Now if we talking the undefeated Shane Mosley that beat Rivera and Oscar, I'm more inclined to agree with that. Not no damn shopworn shaky version of Shane who had been on the shelf for over a year.


Mosley is an especially sore spot for most of these guys because he refused to fight Floyd over his toothache when they said Floyd was afraid of him. Then he finally came around only after floyd had sold big with ODH and Hatton.

Everybody thought Floyd would fight the winner of Cotto/Shane, but Floyd said he had to go on vacation

Then he landed 2 great punches, which made all these guys jump for joy. They all thought Floyd was done only to have him landing punches before the round was over.

It was a good seniors tour win for Floyd. Should have been on regular television.

[djtmal]

Well that is more of an opinion as opposed to fact.

My facts have no real substance? What? The fact that he was P4P #3 is actually documented.

go on youtube and watch shane vs. forrest 2x, shane vs winky 2x, shane vs. cotto, shane vs. vargas 2x its actually documented how shopworn shane was...

[Johnny2x2x]

go on youtube and watch shane vs. forrest 2x, shane vs winky 2x, shane vs. cotto, shane vs. vargas 2x its actually documented how shopworn shane was...

Really? We're just supposed to watch his losses? Mosely looked great vs Cotto and some people gvae him the decision in that fight. Forrest was a horrible matchup for him. He looked good in the 2nd fight vs Wright who was just too big for him. You can't pick just his losses. He was top 3 P4P for a reason, because he looked really good. And he KOed Vargas 2 times, so WTF?

Why was he ranked so high? Hmmm? BEecause he KOed the #1 ww ON THE PLANET AT THE TIME IN Tony Margarito who had just destroyed Cotto. Mosely looked like a monster.

[djtmal]

actually thats what the guy you're cheerleading for is doing. He's ****ting on floyd for what hagler did......never fighting any atgs in their prime, fighting fighters coming off long layoffs and fighting much smaller fighters. Except hagler lost to a one eyed smaller fighter.

i'm not ****ting on nobody...i'm just not overratting floyd's resume, and i'm definitely not substituting beating a plethora of paper champs for prime elite atg's, and guys like you, larry, dunn, etc. feel that's unfair and have a problem with it....

[djtmal]

Really? We're just supposed to watch his losses? Mosely looked great vs Cotto and some people gvae him the decision in that fight. Forrest was a horrible matchup for him. He looked good in the 2nd fight vs Wright who was just too big for him. You can't pick just his losses. He was top 3 P4P for a reason, because he looked really good. And he KOed Vargas 2 times, so WTF?

Why was he ranked so high? Hmmm? BEecause he KOed the #1 ww ON THE PLANET AT THE TIME IN Tony Margarito who had just destroyed Cotto. Mosely looked like a monster.

i wouldn't rank a shopworn shaky shane that high sorry...

if i mentioned vargas, i didn't just focus on his losses now did I?

You look at the version of Shane who fought Oscar, opposed to the version who fought Cotto and Vargas, and tell me you ain't looking at a shopworn fighter.

[djtmal]

I just have fun with it. I mean they criticize a fighter for moving into a division which wasn't even invented and say the fighters ducked other fights who's names they don't know and speak on fights they haven't seen. They even pretend 1984 happened before 1983 for example to suit their agendas. It's a fanboy thing I guess.

you know you need to go into hiding if you didn't know duran lost to hagler before he got ko'd by hearns...

[chrisJS]

you know you need to go into hiding if you didn't know duran lost to hagler before he got ko'd by hearns...

Yeah, that one may have sent him into hiding. Figured he wouldn't get caught out on a lie.