GGG's Legacy

[chrisJS]

lol... hagler has 3 bonafide, high rank atg's on his resume with 2 wins, 1 loss
the loss was a controversial, split decision to an all-time great who is arguably top 10..no shame in that...

above that, compared to your man-crush floyd, duran and hearns weren't raked thru the coals by the time hagler fought them unlike the way cotto (2tkos) and manny (put to sleep) were...hagler never stalled a fight because he was scared of a fighter's power, like your man crush floyd does with threats...

Anybody that tries to downplay Hagler to big up their fighter (often Floyd fans) aren't really boxing fans or really know that much about the sport from before they started watching (when they found Floyd). They just look on paper and don't bother to understand the era's, the less divisions, the less titles, the quality of contenders or even watch the fights themselves.

Floyd's fan base is 1% Boxing fan 99% casual.

[chrisJS]

Don't you get it yet IronDan? When Floyd is the topic of discussion facts do not matter, only opinions. So no matter where Mosley was, CJS, djtmal, and others will go with their opinion of where he was otherwise they would have to give credit to Floyd, which they will not do.

Mosley is an especially sore spot for most of these guys because he refused to fight Floyd over his toothache when they said Floyd was afraid of him. Then he finally came around only after floyd had sold big with ODH and Hatton.

Then he landed 2 great punches, which made all these guys jump for joy. They all thought Floyd was done only to have him landing punches before the round was over.

Not true. Really, judging by Mosley's career post Vernon Forrest he was never all that good again. That was 2002.

I knew Floyd would beat Mosley who was way past it despite you trying to spin that he was in his prime.

Also, not sure what Barrera and Morales have to do with it but yes both were much better than Mosley in general and closer to their primes when they were engaging in the JMM-Pac-MAB-Morales round robin. I can't stand Pac or his fans but I do find it funny how Floyd fanboys say Mosley, Cotto, De La Hoya, Marquez were all prime and legit weight classes but Morales, Barrera, Cotto, Marquez were not when Marquez fought them. Marquez beat Pacquaio 4 times I think that's the thing Floyd fans are right on but I think that's more for their agenda than what they scored the fights.

[Xi_]

lol... hagler has 3 bonafide, high rank atg's on his resume with 2 wins, 1 loss
the loss was a controversial, split decision to an all-time great who is arguably top 10..no shame in that...

above that, compared to your man-crush floyd, duran and hearns weren't raked thru the coals by the time hagler fought them unlike the way cotto (2tkos) and manny (put to sleep) were...hagler never stalled a fight because he was scared of a fighter's power, like your man crush floyd does with threats...

All past prime, duran was ktfo by hearns worst than pacquiao and hearns had been in wars prior to fighhting hagler....all of his biggest wins are from small past prime fighters coming up in weight. Nobody with any boxing knowledge ranks him above floyd.

[djtmal]

It is literally a stone cold fact that he was ranked #3 P4P at that time.

You can tell me why you disagree all you like that doesn'r change the fact that he was ranked #3 P4P. And just to reiterate, that's a fact.

I didn't say anything about the win being elite or whatever. Merely stating the fact that he was P4P #3 at that time. Universally.

its also a fact that shane was a shopworn fighter....

if ya can't see that your "facts" have no real substance supporting it, then I don't know what to tell you....

[Xi_]

Anybody that tries to downplay Hagler to big up their fighter (often Floyd fans) aren't really boxing fans or really know that much about the sport from before they started watching (when they found Floyd). They just look on paper and don't bother to understand the era's, the less divisions, the less titles, the quality of contenders or even watch the fights themselves.

Floyd's fan base is 1% Boxing fan 99% casual.

actually thats what the guy you're cheerleading for is doing. He's ****ting on floyd for what hagler did......never fighting any atgs in their prime, fighting fighters coming off long layoffs and fighting much smaller fighters. Except hagler lost to a one eyed smaller fighter.

[chrisJS]

actually thats what the guy you're cheerleading for is doing. He's ****ting on floyd for what hagler did......never fighting any atgs in their prime, fighting fighters coming off long layoffs and fighting much smaller fighters. Except hagler lost to a one eyed smaller fighter.

Hagler was coming off a layoff too and was jobbed.

Duran was smaller yes, but much better than a smaller Pacquaio or Marquez for example. Duran still accomplished a lot at 154 and 160. That's a better win than anything Floyd ever did. You underestimate an all-time top 5 guy like Duran. Not Duran's prime doesn't = crap. Hearns also is a great win because Hearns is much better than anything Floyd fought even coming up in weight. You can't say Hearns at 160 wasn't as good as any opponent Floyd fought. It's a lie.

There was no 168 division back then either sorry that you didn't know that.

[djtmal]

[QUOTE=Xi_;18114480]All past prime, duran was ktfo by hearns worst than pacquiao

lmao...duran was ko'd by hearns, AFTER he lost to hagler....duran, even the slightly past prime one hagler fought, is arguably top 10 all-time, is miles above anybody floyd beat...and as we all know, floyd got the balls to even see a pac fight thru only after he was put to sleep by marquez

and hearns had been in wars prior to fighhting hagler....

you must be sh**ting me...
don't try to put extras on it...hearns was still quite prime, had only been tko'd by the sugar man, and obliterated, let me say that again, obliterated top 10 all time duran going into the hagler fight, was part of one of the greatest wars in boxing history...broke his hand on marvin's head....lol....

all of his biggest wins are from small past prime fighters coming up in weight. Nobody with any boxing knowledge ranks him above floyd.

floyd's biggest wins are ricky hatton, canelo alvarez, and corrales...some of the greatest fighters of all-time right there

[El Gitano]

listen to this guy...

so who did floyd beat that was an elite, prime atg fighter at his best...victor ortiz or maidana, or was it corrales

I know you know the answer to this but I don't think Floyd has an elite prime fighter in his resume.

[chrisJS]

All past prime, duran was ktfo by hearns worst than pacquiao and hearns had been in wars prior to fighhting hagler....all of his biggest wins are from small past prime fighters coming up in weight. Nobody with any boxing knowledge ranks him above floyd.

Stop lying.

Hagler beat Duran BEFORE Hearns beat Duran. Are you aware that 1983 happened BEFORE 1984?

So now that lie has been exposed care to change your opinion slightly on the fight?

[djtmal]

Anybody that tries to downplay Hagler to big up their fighter (often Floyd fans) aren't really boxing fans or really know that much about the sport from before they started watching (when they found Floyd). They just look on paper and don't bother to understand the era's, the less divisions, the less titles, the quality of contenders or even watch the fights themselves.

Floyd's fan base is 1% Boxing fan 99% casual.

when you are trying to compare top 10, all-time great fighters to flash in the pan paper champs, its very obvious to me that a lot of these dudes don't have a clue...