Usyk vs Ward.

[oscar9992]

Usyk will be Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion near future...

[Shpacman]

Usik by KO or TKO. Ward too small, too weak.

[Kigali]

Usik by KO or TKO. Ward too small, too weak.

Ward wasn't too weak to stop Kwitter Kovalev.

Usyk is too soft.

[g27region]

Bro, Braehmer was at 168 before moving up to 175 to win a title... are you confused about something? First, you said Perez moved up from cruiserweight, now you are saying Braehmer is just like Perez because he never fought at 168 before... WHAT? Braehmer is more accomplished as a boxer and had more experience at 168 than Perez at 200. Period, end of.

I was wrong about Perez, but the point remains.

Braehmer is still moving down, he's still coming off a loss and long period of inactivity....basically, the same things you said about Perez.

Braehmer got more experience at 168 than Perez at CW? Well, maybe but it's not like he has some great achievments at 168 either

It's better to fight on HBO while facing a competition from all over the world than holding your belt hostage and fighting bunch of no hopers in Germany your whole career. Braehmer literally faced only three undefeated fighter in 51 bouts, that's ridiculous, most of his opponents has more than 3-7 L's in their record. And that's a fact

He's slightly better than Troyanovsky, the guy who got ravaged in less than a minute....by the guy who couldn't last three rounds against Crawford....Another home champion scared to leave his hometown to face world class opposition

I was saying Perez shouldn't be considered a worthy name AT ALL at cruiserweight. There were too many things working against him: stoppage loss in last fight, long layoff (2 years), never fought at the weight before, fighting on Breidis' home turf. Would you consider it a good name if someone like Issac Chilemba came down from 175 to be in the WBSS tourney, hadn't gone 12 rounds in a while, and someone like Callum Smith beat him? To be fair, I am of the belief that none of the top seeds who picked their first fight should be given that much credit for beating opponents they literally hand-picked. I give Usyk props ONLY because Huck is a tough m*fo and he still managed to stop him.

It's easy to talk that about Perez now, but he was considered a wild card by a lot of boxing fans before Briedis fight because nobody knew how good he is.....Of course, the division is so stacked, they could replace Perez with some other name to make the tournament even more competitive, but he was adding some intrigue because it was interesting to see how he can adapt to the new weight class

I'm going to say this.. the WBSS @168 doesn't encompass nearly all the talent at the weight class. We're missing Degale, Benevidez, Ramirez, and the Dirrel's.

Same can be said about CW with names like Tabiti, Lebedev, Makabu and others, even Mchunu is the kind of fighter who would give troubles to anybody with his awkward style

The winner of WBSS super middle can still make big fights with the other names. Where does the winner of WBSS cruiser tourney go? Move up to heavy?

Money fight with Bellew in UK, unification with Lebedev, fight on US soil with Tabiti that might get on HBO...Glowacki fight (if Usyk won't be the winner), just few examples right here

On the other hand, the winner of 168 tournament has to move up to LHW to get the attention, because nobody cares about 168. You can see that posters excited about CW tournament and thrashing 168 at the same time. And NSB posters might be retarted at times, but they're definitely not casual fans, most of them

168/
George Groves - 29 yo - Win over James Degale, SD loss to Badou Jack who is now a champ at 175

Eubank Jr - 28 yo - Win over Abraham is equivalent to anybody at Cruiser with win over Huck/Lebedev. Talent-wise he's undeniably better than Breidis, Gassiev, and Dorticos

I might stop reading here.
Lebedev and Huck were dominant champions at cruiserweight.
Briedis, Usyk and Gassiev defeated Huck and Lebedev at cruiserweight too, the weight where these guys were reigning. That's important

Abraham was a good middleweight but he wasn't the same at 168. He doesn't have the same history at SMW as Huck and Lebedev at CW

James Degale - beats all resumes except maybe Usyk

Gilberto Ramirez - 26 yo - win over Bursack and Abraham is better than anybody at Cruiser with win over Huck/Lebedev

I've already told you about Abraham
But Bursack?
Really?
Fucking Bursack?
Wait...hold on....Wait a min....You're talking about Max Bursack, the guy with 5 losses, 38% KO ratio who defeated nobody worth mentioning...That Bursack?

Or maybe there's some other Bursack who is elite fighter, who was a titleholder, a champion defending his title like Lebedev, who was dominant at his weight class like Huck and Lebedev....If you talk about that Bursack then I agree with you, even though I don't know that guy

But if you talk about Max fucking Bursack who got 5 L's in his resume and who's ranked at 66 spot in boxrec....then even Kalenga was A+ win for Dorticos compared to that. Charr, Durodola, Hunter and Mchunu too

Benavidez - 20 yo - young dude just got the WBC strap albeit a bit controversially, but still stopped Porky Medina the fight before. More exciting and more potential than any of them at cruiser

Porky Medina has 8 losses

Callum Smith - 26 yo - pretty untested British product, and looked bad against Skoglund but at 6'3 he's huge for the weight and still got time to improve a lot.

So, there, 4 super middle's with resumes matching or exceeding those of Dorticos, Gassiev, and Breidis.

Well, it's hard to compete with resume full of killers like Bursack with 5 L's and Porky Medina with 8 L's...even Abraham, who doesn't have any great accomplishments at 168 isn't as bad as that

[A.K]

You make some dumb posts so I wouldn't expect you to notice in fight adjustments and studying the opponent before taking completely over.

[Kigali]

As great as Ward is he’d lose comfortably against Usyk....

What has Usyk done to make anybody think he can beat Ward?

Dude is soft as cotton.

[Shpacman]

Ward wasn't too weak to stop Kwitter Kovalev.

Usyk is too soft.

Kovalev would get KO'd by Usik too. Usik is a big cruiser, Kovalev is an average-sized lightheavy, Ward is a blown-up super middle.

[Fists_of_Fury]

You make some dumb posts so I wouldn't expect you to notice in fight adjustments and studying the opponent before taking completely over.

You make a ton of ******ed posts. The Euro is nowhere in the realm of ring iq that Floyd has.

[DrHouse579]

Braehmer got more experience at 168 than Perez at CW? Well, maybe but it's not like he has some great achievments at 168 either

It's better to fight on HBO while facing a competition from all over the world than holding your belt hostage and fighting bunch of no hopers in Germany your whole career. Braehmer literally faced only three undefeated fighter in 51 bouts, that's ridiculous, most of his opponents has more than 3-7 L's in their record. And that's a fact

He's slightly better than Troyanovsky, the guy who got ravaged in less than a minute....by the guy who couldn't last three rounds against Crawford....Another home champion scared to leave his hometown to face world class opposition

OK, so fighting on HBO, but never having any signature wins or any titles, aka getting "exposure" on a world class level is more important than... what Braehmer and Troyanovsky did which is stay at home fighting Euro-level dudes??

OK, well what the **** do you call what Lebedev and Huck and Gassiev and Breidis have been doing their WHOLE careers?? Oh, but they have titles and are undefeated... Huge double standard there, bud..

My whole argument is that guys like Degale, Callum Smith, Eubank Jr, George Groves, even the Dirrell's, Benavidez, and Ramirez may not have the "dominant world champs" like *gasp* Lebedev, Huck, Glowacki (what world beaters! I mean talk about household names that fight on the big networks!), but they are getting exposure (HBO, UK TV, Shotime) and have been at least TESTED at world level..

Bro, it comes down to one thing.. which division has more transcendent talent? Not good records built up on one or two dudes (Lebedev, Huck) who's title reigns were built feasting on a weak pool and fighting at home in Germany or Russia.

A division could be full of guys with high KO ratios, undefeated, title-holders, but if they been matched up well and only recently had significant wins (in CW it seems like Lebedev and Huck are great resume-builders), it's not a good barometer to test how good the division is.

At 168, we have a legitimate lineage of fighters going back to the original super 6. Even if Abraham wasn't as good at 168, he was still competitive with potential HOFer's at 168. Same thing with Degale and Groves' resumes. Stop being so obsessed over KO percentage and that all-important '0' and look at who these guys at Cruiser have actually been in with.

I think Cruiserweight is on the rise, and these kind of tournaments help to raise the profile of these overlooked weight classes. But, fact remains that the whole reason the CW tourney has all the belts at stake is because it's a weak division and most boxing fans don't care too much about it. 168, we got Eubank moving up and Braehmer moving down, and only have 1 legit strap on the line... because Degale, Benavidez, and Ramirez can get paydays on their own and people don't need a tournament to watch those dudes fight.

[Thraxox]

You make some dumb posts so I wouldn't expect you to notice in fight adjustments and studying the opponent before taking completely over.

Usyk is world apart from May. May studies his opponents to figure them out and out box them, but would not try to be a slow starter, he starts the pace from the start and ends the pace with the pace he started from the beginning, Usyk on the other hand is a slow starter and only goes on to quicken the pace as the fight goes on.

Do you know why? Since Usyk is an attacking fighter, an attacking fighter can set the pace immediately, but he didn't and allowed fighters to take some rounds off him, Floyd doesn't do that, therefore Floyd is better.