Usyk vs Ward.

[Kigali]

He was losing the round and the one before it doesn't mean he was ready to go out, tony weeks even apologized for stopping it.

Dude was turning his back and flopping.

Tony Weeks didn't apologize for anything.

[Diegosome1]

...but he's not good enough...too soft.

We don’t know how soft he is yet. But he’s too big for Ward.

[Larry the boss]

And Crawford is the next what

These labels are wack

Who mentioned Crawford..my point is Kovalev was supposed to be the boogyman now all the sudden he has to move up again and fight Usyk?

[chrisJS]

This is what I'm talking about when I say Loma and Usyk are being held to higher standards.
Loma and Usyk are two of the busiest (active) boxers out there. When I mean busy I'm not just talking about punch output, but just in general. They are constantly moving, setting things up, etc. These two are workhorses in the ring.
So when Loma or Usyk, especially Usyk, have slow rounds in the beginning, just studying their opponents and not be nearly as active as the later rounds, people automatically give the rounds to their opponents.

Other boxers can study their opponent and not do much and get a ton of praise for it.
Go look at most Ward fights early and most of the time he is studying his opponent barely does anything and gets praise and the round for it.
Usyk does the same, he actually does more, but since he isn't as active as he is in the later rounds people give the round to the opponent.
Funny stuff huh?

Some people see Boxing in black and white and I don't mean in it's simplicity. There's a fair few of them on this forum.

[Diegosome1]

Who mentioned Crawford..my point is Kovalev was supposed to be the boogyman now all the sudden he has to move up again and fight Usyk?

You’re doing this with anyone who is euro. That’s what I meant for it. Ward retires so now Crawford becomes the next what? Is that how it works?

[Larry the boss]

You’re doing this with anyone who is euro. That’s what I meant for it. Ward retires so now Crawford becomes the next what? Is that how it works?

Im not even a Crawford fan so ask someone else that..He still has more to prove IMO....I AM REPLYING TO THIS THREAD AND IM ON POINT..Crawford unified 140 and that is why i have him in my sig....but i have never claimed him to be the BOOGYMAN

[Diegosome1]

Im not even a Crawford fan so ask someone else that..He still has more to prove IMO....I AM REPLYING TO THIS THREAD AND IM ON POINT..Crawford unified 140 and that is why i have him in my sig....but i have never claimed him to be the BOOGYMAN

He’s not the boogeyman but he’s that Mayweather Ward guy now that the people who call euros boogeymen run to

[Larry the boss]

He’s not the boogeyman but he’s that Mayweather Ward guy now that the people who call euros boogeymen run to

who said this?? where are these threads like the one you are posting in

[A.K]

Dude was turning his back and flopping.

Tony Weeks didn't apologize for anything.

http://www.boxingscene.com/tony-weeks-owes-apologies-sergey-kovalev-andre-ward--117831

this is what he said on twitter chimp

"I stopped the fight due to Kovalev not protecting himself had I saw the shots were low I would not have stopped the fight. My mistake"

[g27region]

OK, so fighting on HBO, but never having any signature wins

Come on, like Braehmer got any signature wins, and sometimes who you fight matters more than belts. At least Perez faced guys like Povetkin and Abdusalamov. Braehmer was fighting no hopers to the point that boxing fans stopped caring about the belt he was holding hostage

or any titles, aka getting "exposure" on a world class level is more important than... what Braehmer and Troyanovsky did which is stay at home fighting Euro-level dudes??

OK, well what the **** do you call what Lebedev and Huck and Gassiev and Breidis have been doing their WHOLE careers?? Oh, but they have titles and are undefeated... Huge double standard there, bud..

How it can be double standarts when we know that Lebedev and Huck (just like Huck and Briedis, Gassiev and Lebedev) fought against each other? And Braehmer never faced a guy his own caliber during his "reign"? The first decent guy (not good, but decent) that he faced took his belt. It's not about the fact he was fighting in his hometown, it's about the fact he was being protected there. Lebedev and Huck, Gassiev and Lebedev, Huck and Briedis were willing to face each other

My whole argument is that guys like Degale, Callum Smith, Eubank Jr, George Groves, even the Dirrell's, Benavidez, and Ramirez may not have the "dominant world champs" like *gasp* Lebedev, Huck, Glowacki (what world beaters! I mean talk about household names that fight on the big networks!), but they are getting exposure (HBO, UK TV, Shotime) and have been at least TESTED at world level..

You know that historically, cruiserweight division isn't getting much exposure in America, but for some reason you think being on American TV = being tested at the world level. Tell you what, Mike Perez beats Braehmer in that department then

In other words, you need American media sources giving more exposure to CW division for you to start considering it good or deep. Got you

Bro, it comes down to one thing.. which division has more transcendent talent? Not good records built up on one or two dudes (Lebedev, Huck)

Talent needs to be proved, even against guys like Lebedev or Huck, not against Max Bursack

who's title reigns were built feasting on a weak pool and fighting at home in Germany or Russia.

Or UK....
Like I've said, how they were feasting on bums, if at least all these guys faced each other? Braehmer wasn't even doing that minimum.

Or you need them to get on HBO for you to admit they're better than Porky Medina and Bursack

A division could be full of guys with high KO ratios, undefeated, title-holders, but if they been matched up well and only recently had significant wins (in CW it seems like Lebedev and Huck are great resume-builders)

Great resume-builder sounds like Abraham, who never been as good at SMW as Lebedev and Huck at CW

At 168, we have a legitimate lineage of fighters going back to the original super 6. Even if Abraham wasn't as good at 168, he was still competitive with potential HOFer's at 168.

Potential HOF'ers can't get outboxed by the guys of BJS caliber

Same thing with Degale and Groves' resumes. Stop being so obsessed over KO percentage and that all-important '0' and look at who these guys at Cruiser have actually been in with.

Oh, so who were these ATG's who gave 5 L's to Bursack and 8 L's to Medina? See, you mention Bursack and Medina (with "multiple losses" - your words, not mine) as notable wins and I mention Lebedev and Huck who were champs for a long time, it's obvious which set of standarts is higher there. If Bursack or Medina are worth mentioning from you, then the same goes to Charr, Kalenga, even Mchunu

because it's a weak division and most boxing fans don't care too much about it.

Now find threads about WBSS 168 fights and CW fights and compare what type of threads getting WAY more responses from posters here, so you'll know the answer which division is deep and which one isn't all that. Don't believe me, just see for yourself

Getting exposure from HBO or other US media sources doesn't mean anything in this case, because like I've said before, american audience never been interested in CW historically. That's not the way how you can measure the talent pool of the division