Usyk vs Ward.

[DrHouse579]

Come on, like Braehmer got any signature wins, and sometimes who you fight matters more than belts. At least Perez faced guys like Povetkin and Abdusalamov.

Wait a minute.. you brought up belts when you told me to name 4 title holders at 168 equivalent to Gassiev, Breidis, and Usyk.. Why can't you make up your mind? Are belts important or resumes?

Also, a KO loss in round 1 against Povetkin doesn't count for ****. It was round 1... we had no idea what he could do against such a massive step up and he got demolished. Doesn't prove anything... do you know how resumes work? Peter Quillen got 0 credit for "having" Danny Jacobs on his record because it was a 1 round blow out...

Paulie Malignaggi went 10+ rounds with Cotto, Hatton, and Khan.. that counts as having names on your resume even if he lost. Don't give me Povetkin..

Braehmer was fighting no hopers to the point that boxing fans stopped caring about the belt he was holding hostage

Oh, you mean how fans never even cared about Gassiev, Dorticos, Huck, Lebedev etc because they all fought at home against no hopers padding their records for the majority of their careers? Those guys? The guys who NEED this tournament to get their names out there because they are barely proven at world level?

How it can be double standarts when we know that Lebedev and Huck (just like Huck and Briedis, Gassiev and Lebedev) fought against each other? And Braehmer never faced a guy his own caliber during his "reign"? The first decent guy (not good, but decent) that he faced took his belt. It's not about the fact he was fighting in his hometown, it's about the fact he was being protected there. Lebedev and Huck, Gassiev and Lebedev, Huck and Briedis were willing to face each other

Double standards because you said Perez is more note-worthy than Braehmer because Perez fought on HBO.. but then you say belts and names matter for Breidis, Gassiev.. Those were literally your words! I kept it in the realm of resumes, accomplishment and eye-test.. you brought up HBO lol

This is how I know you're a boxrec boxing historian.. Braehmer was beating Cleverly and was probably going get a stoppage or wide decision until he broke his arm.. look it up.. Braehmer's impressive showing (tho it was a freak loss) against Cleverly is much more significant than getting blown away by Povetkin before the match even started..

You know that historically, cruiserweight division isn't getting much exposure in America, but for some reason you think being on American TV = being tested at the world level. Tell you what, Mike Perez beats Braehmer in that department then

In other words, you need American media sources giving more exposure to CW division for you to start considering it good or deep. Got you

Again, you said Perez is better than Braehmer and you brought up exposure on HBO and "going out of his comfort zone" against legit dudes at heavy.. these are your standards not mine. So, to stick with your standards, I'm saying the current stock at 168 has gotten WAY more exposure (not just on American TV) than the stock at 200.. British, American markets are the major markets in boxing. That's why Usyk and Loma had to fight a few times in the US to really start getting exposure. And, getting exposure in US is a good measure for a fighter's worth because you can't just baby sit a title at home and fight no-names or people won't watch. Loma and Crawford already have big names on their records, but both have been heavily criticized for not fighting real opponents lately. Hence, Crawford move up to 147 and Loma is finally fighting Rigo and he said he wants the Linares and Mikey fights in the next year or 2..

Talent needs to be proved, even against guys like Lebedev or Huck, not against Max Bursack

Or UK....
Like I've said, how they were feasting on bums, if at least all these guys faced each other? Braehmer wasn't even doing that minimum.

Or you need them to get on HBO for you to admit they're better than Porky Medina and Bursack

Who are the world class names on Lebedev's record? Geriatric Roy Jones Jr and fatass James Toney who never even belonged at 200? Lebedev and Huck did basically what you said Braehmer did for MOST of their career which is stay at home and fight no hopers. They recently started fighting competitive fights at the tail end of their careers.

Great resume-builder sounds like Abraham, who never been as good at SMW as Lebedev and Huck at CW

Abraham was more tested at world level than either Lebedev and Huck. He moved up weight classes and gave good fights to legit HOF'ers.. Lebedev and Huck are the only dudes anyone knows from the previous CW era and they haven't fought ANYONE close to the fighters Abraham fought. LOL except Roy Jones Jr and James Toney in their 40's prime, of course, which is how I even know about Lebedev..

Potential HOF'ers can't get outboxed by the guys of BJS caliber

I meant the guys who fought Abraham... Jermain Taylor, Carl Froch are potential HOF'ers and Andre Ward is a first ballot HOF'er.

Oh, so who were these ATG's who gave 5 L's to Bursack and 8 L's to Medina? See, you mention Bursack and Medina (with "multiple losses" - your words, not mine) as notable wins and I mention Lebedev and Huck who were champs for a long time, it's obvious which set of standarts is higher there. If Bursack or Medina are worth mentioning from you, then the same goes to Charr, Kalenga, even Mchunu

You mistook what I was talking about again.. I wasn't talking about the names on the resumes having "multiple losses".. I was talking about the fighters themselves.. AGAIN, you brought this up by mentioning how important it is to be undefeated! Wlodarczyk, Lebedev, Huck (the guys you claim make this CW division SOOO competitive) have MULTIPLE losses.

You know you losing when you attack a 20 yo Benavidez's resume... I specificed that I gave you 4 fighters at 168 that are of Dorticos, Gassiev, Breidis, Usyk caliber and I gave you 2 more in Callum Smith and Benavidez to prove 168 has more up and coming talent (young!!!) than CW (38 yo Lebedev, 31 yo Glowacki, 36 yo Wlod).

I only brought up Smith and Benavidez to show there are young, high ceiling dudes coming up at 168. What do you have to say about Ramirez, Eubank, Degale, Groves? Forget Bursack.. Ramirez still has Abraham... hmm? Got nothing to say about those guys? Gotta go after Bursack and Medina LOL

Now find threads about WBSS 168 fights and CW fights and compare what type of threads getting WAY more responses from posters here, so you'll know the answer which division is deep and which one isn't all that. Don't believe me, just see for yourself

You mean the forum who has GGG fan boys on every thread and then he ended up with 170k buys against Jacobs? Oh, that forum? Surely we could find a better sample that represents what the large majority of boxing fans actually care about (hint: boxing is >90% casual fans).

Getting exposure from HBO or other US media sources doesn't mean anything in this case, because like I've said before, american audience never been interested in CW historically. That's not the way how you can measure the talent pool of the division.

Hmmm, maybe because all they did HISTORICALLY is fight in Germany and Russia and babysit titles? Just a guess.. I give you that recently they have been fighting in America and stepping up competition.. but to say at the moment these tourney started 200 > 168 is ridiculous

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Dude was turning his back and flopping.

Tony Weeks didn't apologize for anything.

why was he turning his back....cause the ref was ignoring clear low blows! we have it on video yet you continue to lie. every time kovalev turned his back or bent over in pain it was from a clear low blow. nothing borderline. low. we could post the videos again but we know its useless with you.

floyd literally did the same exact thing against judah and conor...guess what the ref did? his job! against kovalev the ref did not do his job. that doesnt mean he was flopping. it means he was getting screwed but because ward was the beneficiary of that screwing you simply do not care. worst kind of fanboy. defends corruption. if the ref had stopped the fight and given judah a "ko" win over floyd i wouldnt be on here saying floyd flopped. you sound ridiculous