Proof GGG did not duck Ward thread

[Robbie Barrett]

Floyd said he'd fight McGregor in the octagon, you believe that too?

I bet if we dig around we can find posts that show you believed Golovkin.

[Mr.Fantastic]

I bet if we dig around we can find posts that show you believed Golovkin.

Only time I remember is when he'd go down for a money fight with Floyd or maybe Canelo. Same with 168 with Chavez. Other than that, good luck.

[brettWall]

It's not even something any normal person would take seriously of.

First of all they're not even in the same division. How can you duck someone that is one weight above?

It's even looking like Ward, number 1 p4p, was cherrypicking a small guy. It's like Mayweather cherrypicking Broner.

Funny part was that small guy is even referred to as a bum or a guy who hasn't fought anybody of worth, yet they want a bum to fight the number one p4p.

[eco1]

I also heard Golovkin ducked prime Mike Tyson when GGG was only 7-8 years old.

[lolpz]

I went through every single page of this thread looking for the proof. Title of thread is very mis-leading.

I'm a bit disappointed.

[HarvardBlue]

I never really thought Golovkin ducked Ward but you didn't prove anything. You said he had a choice and then asked why he would chose Ward? If he had a choice and decide to chose someone else isn't that definition of the word "duck" as its most often used on this site.

[Metho_4u]

By Dan Ambrose: In response to the interview WBA super middleweight champion Andre Ward did this week in saying that he was turned down by IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin’s management for a fight, Tom Loeffler, the promoter for Golovkin, says the reason why they turned down the fight with the 32-year-old Ward is because it would have been a bad time to take the fight.

Loeffler didn’t want to commit to a fight against Ward when he had a pay-per-view fight for Golovkin against IBF middleweight champion David Lemieux (34-2, 31 KOs). Loeffler thinks the money that Golovkin will make in his fight against Lemieux and the winner of the Miguel Cotto vs. Saul “Canelo” Alvarez fight would be more than the money they would have gotten for a fight against Ward.

Loeffler says that Ward’s promoters at Roc Nation Sports wanted a 50-50 deal with Golovkin. Loeffler thinks it’s better for Golovkin to wait until he fights Lemieux and the Cotto-Canelo winner before commiting to a fight against Ward, because they could get a better than 50-50 split of the money.

If Golovkin defeats Lemieux in their fight on HBO pay-per-view on October 17th, and if he beats Cotto or Canelo, he’d be in a position to get a bigger cut than 50-50 for a Ward fight. At the same time, if Golovkin-Lemieux brings in big PPV numbers, then it wouldn’t make sense for Loeffler and Golovkin to give Ward a 50-50 split of the revenue, because Ward isn’t a PPV fighter and he’s only fought once in the last two years.

“It would’ve been a bad deal to take,” Loeffler said via the latimes.com. “If the pay-per-view for the Lemieux fight is what we think it should be, Gennady would deserve more than 50% against Ward, considering Ward has barely fought outside of California. So it’s unreasonable to ask us to commit to that right now.”

Loeffler makes a lot of sense. It would be crazy for him to match Golovkin up against Ward right now until the smoke clears with Golovkin’s fights against Lemieux, the Cotto-Canelo winner, and against possibly WBO champion Andy Lee. If Lemieux could take those three fights and win them all, he’d be in a position to ask for a much better split of the revenue than 50-50 for a fight against Ward.

You could make an argument that Golovkin could ask for a minimum of a 75-25 split for a fight against Ward if not 80-20. It would be similar to the split that Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez had for their last fight against each other in 2012.

Pacquiao was the proven fighter with the PPV audience and this enabled him to get the lion’s share of the revenue. Marquez obviously pulled in a lot of fans, but he wasn’t able to ask for a 50-50 split because Pacquiao had already proven that he was the PPV attraction.

“Little G’ turned down an official fight with us,” Ward said to Fighthub.com. “The reality is for all the talk … the proof is in the pudding. I have an email right now that shows we gave them what they want … 50/50 … and the man — the promoter –turned it down, said maybe 2017.”
2017 sounds like a good date for a Golovkin-Ward fight because by then, Golovkin will have cleaned out the middleweight division and will be ready to face the likes of Ward. By 2017, Golovkin will either have cleaned out the 160lb division, or at least have cleaned out the division in terms of fighters that are willing to face him.

I don’t think Daniel Jacobs, Peter Quillin or Billy Joe Saunders will ever agree to fight Golovkin. But Andy Lee probably will. There’s only a small handful of fights for Golovkin at 160, and it’s unclear whether he’ll get those fights.

The Cotto vs. Canelo winner could turn down the fight with Golovkin, and instead let the World Boxing Council strip them of the WBC 160lb title for failing to defend the belt against Golovkin, who is the WBC #1 mandatory challenger at this time.

The worse thing that could happen to Golovkin is if the Cotto-Canelo and Lee-Saunders winners both decide they want nothing to do with fighting. It would be bad for Golovkin because he would be stuck fighting just the regular contenders in the middleweight division like Tureano Johnson.

And that's JUST what he did...fought the bums. Her ducked Ward, all their is to it.

[OnePunch]

No my argument is he could have fought Ward and he'd still be the mandatory to Canelo. They don't strip mandatories for losing at a higher weight (like title holders). He could have had two big fights lined up back to back.

When he knew Canelo wouldn't fight him why didn't he try to make the Ward fight?

This is why novices should not post about details they know nothing about.

Wards "offer" was one interim fight (Lemieux), and then they fight. I think we can all agree on that.

Also, the WBC said the Cotto/Canelo winner MUST face Golovkin next. Im assuming we can also agree on that point as well?

Had GGG accepted Wards "offer" here is EXACTLY what would have happened: 10 minutes after Cotto-Canelo was over, Oscar would have called Suiliaman and said "we are ready to commence negotiations with Golovkin, but unfortunately he is obligated to fight Ward next. Im afraid you will have to strip him and appoint a new mandatory challenger."

There is NO WAY that Oscar would have let GGG keep his mando spot. And you really shouldnt talk about things you know nothing about.

[Zaroku]

I keep seeing people say ggg ducked ward so im wondering if they are just trolling or are low information fans. Here I will prove that it couldnt have possibly been a duck. Just read these two statements and you will see the choice was easy.

Michael Yormak of Roc Nation, representing Ward, responded by pointing out that GGG’s team turned the offer down “in 36 minutes.” They had not known the Lemieux fight had already been signed, he claimed, and countered that since the proposal stipulated that both fighters would have one interim bout before meeting in 2016, essentially it made no difference to the deal.

wbc prez on cotto-canelo ""We can confirm that the winner must face our interim champion, Golovkin. It's a fight that has to happen, the winner can not face someone else."

ggg fought in october of 2015
cotto-canelo in november 2015

Ok so meet ward in 2016 or the cotto-canelo winner in 2016...why would he choose ward? Maybe next time you will do a little research and instead of simply saying a guy ducked for turning down an offer you will look into the offer in order to see if it was realistic.


preemptive response to trolls: yes we know the wbc lied and changed their minds but no one knew that at the time.

This^^^^^ be why I like/love this fool..
Dagnabit u alright with me..

[Robbie Barrett]

This is why novices should not post about details they know nothing about.

Wards "offer" was one interim fight (Lemieux), and then they fight. I think we can all agree on that.

Also, the WBC said the Cotto/Canelo winner MUST face Golovkin next. Im assuming we can also agree on that point as well?

Had GGG accepted Wards "offer" here is EXACTLY what would have happened: 10 minutes after Cotto-Canelo was over, Oscar would have called Suiliaman and said "we are ready to commence negotiations with Golovkin, but unfortunately he is obligated to fight Ward next. Im afraid you will have to strip him and appoint a new mandatory challenger."

There is NO WAY that Oscar would have let GGG keep his mando spot. And you really shouldnt talk about things you know nothing about.

What a load of bollocks many mandatory have fought other fights and haven't been stripped of their spot. Golovkin wasn't only a mandatory he was the interim champion. They would have had to strip Golovkin and they wouldn't have done that.