Proof GGG did not duck Ward thread

[TonyGe]

Did he fight Canelo or Cotto at that time? Nope. If he fought Ward he would still be mandatory to Canelo after because that fight would have been 168.

If he lost to Ward I guarantee his share of the purse against Canelo would have been a lot smaller. There are a lot of reasons a fight doesn't get made.

[Citizen Koba]

Ward only became a realistic possibility after GGG became mando to the WBC title, which meant - theoretically - a guaranteed Cotto or Canelo fight. the '164' offer came during this period and, if folk had bothered to listen to the explanation surrounding it, actually acknowledged that they were no longer really interested in Ward at all since better options had opened up at 160.

I mean, you can't say it's 'proof', cos folk are allowed to define 'ducking' any way they please but if we gonna say fighters are 'ducking' when they attempt to fight the must lucrative opponent available at a given time it's gonna be a long ass list...

Feb 15

https://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-cott...luntary--87887

May 15

https://www.boxingscene.com/sulaiman...olovkin--91087

Jul 15

https://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin...0-split--93258

And even then it was kinda made clear that they weren't particularly interested at that time... that they were actually focussed on MW and the WBC Crown, Froch also confirms that in speaking with Loeffler at the time of the Lemieux fight they no longer really seemed to have much interest in facing him either since they had the Canelo - Cotto mandate.


IDK man, I'm actually racking my brains to think of an instance where a fighter has voluntarily moved up to take on a bigger, more highly regarded fighter for less money.

[Nay_Sayer]

164lb catchweight = DUCK

The Bumlovkin nut hugging crown just needs to come to terms with reality and get over it. Your hero wanted NO part of Andre Ward - and for good reason. Ward would have sent him back to 160 with a brutal KO LOSS on his ledger.

[Chollo Vista]

May 15, 2015 Sulaiman: Cotto-Canelo Winner Must Face Golovkin

Sulaiman also ordered GGG to face Charlo. Instead he's facing some dude who he'll be a 42 to 1 favorite against. Just like he didn't mind honoring his "mandatory" when it came to 70 to 1 underdog Dominic Wade

I see you only listen to Sulaiman when you're trolling or when it's convenient.

[Chollo Vista]

In 2013:

https://books.google.com/books?id=Jz...20best&f=false

According to Thomas Hauser on Boxing: Another Year Inside the Sweet Science:

"Right now," he says, "I am a middleweight. But this is boxing. For money, I would go to super-middleweight to fight Andre Ward. For money, I would fight Mayweather at 154 pounds."

But would Ward or Mayweather fight him?
"Mayweather? No way.
Ward, We'll find out"

[daggum]

164lb catchweight = DUCK

The Bumlovkin nut hugging crown just needs to come to terms with reality and get over it. Your hero wanted NO part of Andre Ward - and for good reason. Ward would have sent him back to 160 with a brutal KO LOSS on his ledger.

yeah cept only problem is ward said he was unaware ggg had already signed to fight lemieux and yet instead of trying to fight him in 2015 when ggg was available he tried to fight him in 2016 when everyone in boxing publicly knew that was when the cotto-canelo winner was supposed to fight him. so what's going on there? why not just offer to fight him in 2015 since he thought ggg was available(his own words)

[daggum]

Sulaiman also ordered GGG to face Charlo. Instead he's facing some dude who he'll be a 42 to 1 favorite against. Just like he didn't mind honoring his "mandatory" when it came to 70 to 1 underdog Dominic Wade

I see you only listen to Sulaiman when you're trolling or when it's convenient.

its like you dont even follow boxing there is so much fandom there. wbc never ordered ggg to fight charlo when ggg was champ. they only ordered them to fight after the second canelo fight for a shot at canelo. those are two completely different scenarios.

in one scenario a champ is mandated to fight his mandatory challenger meaning he cannot fight anyone else(unless agreed upon between parties) in the other scenario ggg is free to fight anyone in boxing or any belt holder etc.... how are you comparing the two at all? ggg chose to go after the ibf instead of the wbc. there was no punishment or loss of anything for not fighting charlo. in fact the wbc even said that ggg didnt have to fight that charlo fight to get the canelo fight look!

"Gennady Golovkin’s team could potentially try to leapfrog this arrangement and bypass the WBC to make a direct deal for the Canelo Alvarez trilogy fight to happen next.

While this clearly would not be to Jermall Charlo’s liking, the governing body would probably approve this scenario, according to their president.

“That would go to the WBC board of governors if there’s a request for a Canelo vs Golovkin fight we would do a vote,” Mauricio Sulaiman stated.

“My personal opinion from experience is that we would accept for that fight to take place.”

so is it any surprise that ggg who had already been mandatory to canelo didnt go that route? and remember ggg never got that title shot against canelo, canelo eventually just dropped the belt instead of fighting him. why would he do that exact same thing? especially when the wbc said they would approve the fight?

so why is it a surprise he chose to fight other guys like dervychenko who was willing to fight on dazn and not charlo who rejected dazn? you do realize there are other things in play here right? everything was setup and in line for the ggg-canelo fight. same network, 2 big names, mandatory status forcing the fight. there was literally none of that when it comes to charlo-ggg and you are trying to compare the two? not to mention the fact that canelo still does exist. canelo still is the target for ggg. that hasnt changed. you could say well he should fight better opponents whil waiting for canelo which i would agree with but sholdnt charlo too? i mean ggg's fought 3-4 top 5 guys during his pursuit of canelo so its not all bums. charlo has fought 0 while pursuing ggg/canelo.

also going back to the mandatory status. the only way canelo got out of the ggg fight was by negotiating on a fight by fight basis with ggg and paying him step aside money so they could take other fights. that never happened with ggg charlo. now that we know they were negotiating on a fight by fight basis you want ggg to preemptively give away 2 fights and fight ward instead? thats just not reasonable or logical in any way, especially against a guy that was literally fighting on BET. you are forgetting context here in a big way. ward was barely relevant if at all in 2015. please stop with the revisionist history.

according to wards own team and words they thought ggg was open for the fall of 2015...yet they wanted to fight in 2016 instead. do they not follow boxing? do they not know that the wbc had been planning the fight at that same time period? yes in retrospect the fight didnt happen but no one could have known that so stop with your time machine logic.


the fact is you just can't admit you were wrong. for example if andre ward said ggg i want to fight you in september of 2020 and ggg said nope got other plans. ggg is ducking according to you. but everyone in boxing knows dazn is setting up that third fight just like everyone back then knew ggg and the wbc were setting up that canelo-cotto fight for 2016. read what roc nation said and when they wanted to fight. even in your fantasy world where ggg is ducking charlo even though charlo refused dazn shouldn't charlo at least try to fight someone good while he is waiting? i mean ggg fought lemiuex, jacobs, and dervychenko. he could have just fought bums like charlo. so your hypocrisy is kinda off the charts isnt it? every fighter is worthy of criticism but to just make up fan fiction and expect people to do things that are clearly not reasonable? just pathetic

[daggum]

Dude, don't blame forum members for what HBO's OWN marketing tactics did in the post fight interview when GGG beat Proksa. Kellerman asked him would face a guy like Ward. GGG said ''why not..I'll fight anyone.'' Abel said he could even go up to 175.

Be honest, Daggum, it's not about GGG for you. You just don't like Andre Ward. Ok.. we get it.

At this point GGG was a no hoper. Look at the current P4P list. Look how many multiple weight champions there are. stop it. and yet GGG is still at 160 draining... ffs

so anyone who is a multiple weight champ is automatically an elite fighter? broner? come on. maliganaggi must be better than ggg too right?

so if ggg beat rocky fielding at 168 he's suddenly a p4p great? moving up in weight can be great but it can also be cherry picking or simply done becaue you are fat and cant make weight. context is key

[Real King Kong]

It’s interesting that those who aren’t willing to entertain ggg’s “excuses” for “ducking” ward in that scenario, are quick to make excuses for why ward turned the fight down when hbo tried to make it happen.

[daggum]

It’s interesting that those who aren’t willing to entertain ggg’s “excuses” for “ducking” ward in that scenario, are quick to make excuses for why ward turned the fight down when hbo tried to make it happen.

they just have extreme tunnel vision. ward was clearly ducking and dodging during that time period. he turned down the #1 168 pounder in bute and the #1 160 pounder in ggg. who did he try to fight isntead? unranked pavlik and unranked dmitri sartison. ive literally seen the same people say yeah but bute should have earned it! thats their defense. simply repeating wards verbiage. how does that fly? he was #1. they were on the same network. biggest payday of his career. if he sucks then take him out. easy money no?

also i think people are forgetting context. in 2015 ward was fighting on BET. this was not a big fight at all. certainly not one worthy of postponing canelo for a year. if ward wanted the fight so bad just offer him the fight, why this whole rube goldberg scenario with multiple fights and delaying other fights.