Proof GGG did not duck Ward thread

[Real King Kong]

they just have extreme tunnel vision. ward was clearly ducking and dodging during that time period. he turned down the #1 168 pounder in bute and the #1 160 pounder in ggg. who did he try to fight isntead? unranked pavlik and unranked dmitri sartison. ive literally seen the same people say yeah but bute should have earned it! thats their defense. simply repeating wards verbiage. how does that fly? he was #1. they were on the same network. biggest payday of his career. if he sucks then take him out. easy money no?

also i think people are forgetting context. in 2015 ward was fighting on BET. this was not a big fight at all. certainly not one worthy of postponing canelo for a year. if ward wanted the fight so bad just offer him the fight, why this whole rube goldberg scenario with multiple fights and delaying other fights.

Not saying ward didn’t want the fight, but ggg’s name was out there at the time...ward was definitely trying to piggy back off that. For a guy who doesn’t like to talk about situations and other fighters, he was sure talking about ggg a lot.

[daggum]

Not saying ward didn’t want the fight, but ggg’s name was out there at the time...ward was definitely trying to piggy back off that. For a guy who doesn’t like to talk about situations and other fighters, he was sure talking about ggg a lot.

now we are getting into the opinion realm but if ward wanted teh fight did he really expect ggg to postpone the cotto-canelo winner fight? he had to know that it was being planned. i mean that was the biggest fight in boxing. articles everywhere. its just so nonsensical to think that. and by his own words he said he didnt know ggg had signed to fight lemiuex which means he thought ggg was available for 2015 since the cotto canelo fight had already been made...yet he didnt offer to fight him in 2015. he said he needed more tune ups? like this is the guy they are defending?

[Chollo Vista]

its like you dont even follow boxing there is so much fandom there. wbc never ordered ggg to fight charlo when ggg was champ. they only ordered them to fight after the second canelo fight for a shot at canelo. those are two completely different scenarios.

in one scenario a champ is mandated to fight his mandatory challenger meaning he cannot fight anyone else(unless agreed upon between parties) in the other scenario ggg is free to fight anyone in boxing or any belt holder etc.... how are you comparing the two at all? ggg chose to go after the ibf instead of the wbc. there was no punishment or loss of anything for not fighting charlo. in fact the wbc even said that ggg didnt have to fight that charlo fight to get the canelo fight look!

"Gennady Golovkin’s team could potentially try to leapfrog this arrangement and bypass the WBC to make a direct deal for the Canelo Alvarez trilogy fight to happen next.

While this clearly would not be to Jermall Charlo’s liking, the governing body would probably approve this scenario, according to their president.

“That would go to the WBC board of governors if there’s a request for a Canelo vs Golovkin fight we would do a vote,” Mauricio Sulaiman stated.

“My personal opinion from experience is that we would accept for that fight to take place.”

so is it any surprise that ggg who had already been mandatory to canelo didnt go that route? and remember ggg never got that title shot against canelo, canelo eventually just dropped the belt instead of fighting him. why would he do that exact same thing? especially when the wbc said they would approve the fight?

so why is it a surprise he chose to fight other guys like dervychenko who was willing to fight on dazn and not charlo who rejected dazn? you do realize there are other things in play here right? everything was setup and in line for the ggg-canelo fight. same network, 2 big names, mandatory status forcing the fight. there was literally none of that when it comes to charlo-ggg and you are trying to compare the two? not to mention the fact that canelo still does exist. canelo still is the target for ggg. that hasnt changed. you could say well he should fight better opponents whil waiting for canelo which i would agree with but sholdnt charlo too? i mean ggg's fought 3-4 top 5 guys during his pursuit of canelo so its not all bums. charlo has fought 0 while pursuing ggg/canelo.

also going back to the mandatory status. the only way canelo got out of the ggg fight was by negotiating on a fight by fight basis with ggg and paying him step aside money so they could take other fights. that never happened with ggg charlo. now that we know they were negotiating on a fight by fight basis you want ggg to preemptively give away 2 fights and fight ward instead? thats just not reasonable or logical in any way, especially against a guy that was literally fighting on BET. you are forgetting context here in a big way. ward was barely relevant if at all in 2015. please stop with the revisionist history.

according to wards own team and words they thought ggg was open for the fall of 2015...yet they wanted to fight in 2016 instead. do they not follow boxing? do they not know that the wbc had been planning the fight at that same time period? yes in retrospect the fight didnt happen but no one could have known that so stop with your time machine logic.


the fact is you just can't admit you were wrong. for example if andre ward said ggg i want to fight you in september of 2020 and ggg said nope got other plans. ggg is ducking according to you. but everyone in boxing knows dazn is setting up that third fight just like everyone back then knew ggg and the wbc were setting up that canelo-cotto fight for 2016. read what roc nation said and when they wanted to fight. even in your fantasy world where ggg is ducking charlo even though charlo refused dazn shouldn't charlo at least try to fight someone good while he is waiting? i mean ggg fought lemiuex, jacobs, and dervychenko. he could have just fought bums like charlo. so your hypocrisy is kinda off the charts isnt it? every fighter is worthy of criticism but to just make up fan fiction and expect people to do things that are clearly not reasonable? just pathetic

There's so much LOL in this post. If you were anybody other than the troll, I would actually write pages to show you how wrong you are. But since I know how much of a troll you are, the best I can do for you is copy and paste G's resume and odds history:

Golovkin's odds

Ouma - 14 to 1
Simon - 25 to 1
Proksa - 4 to 1
Rosado - 34 to 1
Ishida - 50 to 1
Macklin - 12 to 1
Stevens - 15 to 1
Adama - 9 to 1
Geale - 7 to 1
Rubio 20 to 1
Murray - 20 to 1
Monroe Jr - 25 to 1
Lemieux - 13 to 1
Wade - 70 to 1
Brook - 7.5 to 1
Jacobs - 4.8 to 1
Canelo - 1.8 to 1
Vanes - 25 to 1
Canelo - 1.9 to 1
Derv - 4.5 to 1
Szeemeta - 42 to 1

- Bouts in which he was the underdog – 0
- Bouts in which he was a favorite by 5 to 1 or less – 5
- Bouts in which he was a favorite by 20 to 1 or more - 8

Golovkin's resume

Golovkin
- Proksa - #4
- Rosado - unranked
- Stevens - unranked
- Geale - #3
- Osumanu - unranked
- Rubio - #8
- Murray - #6
- Monroe - unranked
- Lemieux - #4
- Wade - unranked
- Brook - unranked MW
- Jacobs - #2
- Vanes - unranked
- Rolls - unranked
- Derv - #7

Golovkin covered 1 weight class and beat 4 top 5 opponents. Let's compare the two:

Canelo = 4 weight classes while beating 6 top 5 opponents at 29 years old.
Golovkin = 1 weight class while beating 4 top 5 opponents at 38 years old.

So, statistics tells us that Golovkin at 38 years old has covered less weight classes (1), while beating less top 5 opponents over the course of his 14 year career (4).

Do whatever type of mental gymnastics you need to do with these facts to make you sleep better.

Troll away

[daggum]

There's so much LOL in this post. If you were anybody other than the troll, I would actually write pages to show you how wrong you are. But since I know how much of a troll you are, the best I can do for you is copy and paste G's resume and odds history:

Golovkin's odds

Ouma - 14 to 1
Simon - 25 to 1
Proksa - 4 to 1
Rosado - 34 to 1
Ishida - 50 to 1
Macklin - 12 to 1
Stevens - 15 to 1
Adama - 9 to 1
Geale - 7 to 1
Rubio 20 to 1
Murray - 20 to 1
Monroe Jr - 25 to 1
Lemieux - 13 to 1
Wade - 70 to 1
Brook - 7.5 to 1
Jacobs - 4.8 to 1
Canelo - 1.8 to 1
Vanes - 25 to 1
Canelo - 1.9 to 1
Derv - 4.5 to 1
Szeemeta - 42 to 1

- Bouts in which he was the underdog – 0
- Bouts in which he was a favorite by 5 to 1 or less – 5
- Bouts in which he was a favorite by 20 to 1 or more - 8

Golovkin's resume

Golovkin
- Proksa - #4
- Rosado - unranked
- Stevens - unranked
- Geale - #3
- Osumanu - unranked
- Rubio - #8
- Murray - #6
- Monroe - unranked
- Lemieux - #4
- Wade - unranked
- Brook - unranked MW
- Jacobs - #2
- Vanes - unranked
- Rolls - unranked
- Derv - #7

Golovkin covered 1 weight class and beat 4 top 5 opponents. Let's compare the two:

Canelo = 4 weight classes while beating 6 top 5 opponents at 29 years old.
Golovkin = 1 weight class while beating 4 top 5 opponents at 38 years old.

So, statistics tells us that Golovkin at 38 years old has covered less weight classes (1), while beating less top 5 opponents over the course of his 14 year career (4).

Do whatever type of mental gymnastics you need to do with these facts to make you sleep better.

Troll away

so because you cant debate you are changing the topic? was this a canelo vs ggg comparison thread? where did that come from?

also some of your rankings are off. i know stevens was top 10 since i've done this before so check your stats. dervy was also #3 in the tbrb rankings but im assuming you are using ring only, yet you didnt use stevens so you are all over the place

[Real King Kong]

now we are getting into the opinion realm but if ward wanted teh fight did he really expect ggg to postpone the cotto-canelo winner fight? he had to know that it was being planned. i mean that was the biggest fight in boxing. articles everywhere. its just so nonsensical to think that. and by his own words he said he didnt know ggg had signed to fight lemiuex which means he thought ggg was available for 2015 since the cotto canelo fight had already been made...yet he didnt offer to fight him in 2015. he said he needed more tune ups? like this is the guy they are defending?

What I should have said is, he would have taken the fight...wanting it is up for debate because it never even got off the ground.

[daggum]

What I should have said is, he would have taken the fight...wanting it is up for debate because it never even got off the ground.

yeah maybe who knows. we know who he tried to fight in 2012-13 so im not sure why people ignore that. thats a least part of the story but alas ignored. we know he got kicked off hbo and was wallowing on BET in 2015. when was this ggg-ward fight supposed to happen? wards last fight at 168 was in 2013 and he officially announced he was moving up to 175 in late 2015 after the laughable offer to ggg. that was the one chance the fight had to be made? it had to be on wards time table or not at all? what kind of pull did he think he had? he was on BET. what leverage did he think he had? is he that deluded?

[Thuglife Nelo]

so anyone who is a multiple weight champ is automatically an elite fighter? broner? come on. maliganaggi must be better than ggg too right?

so if ggg beat rocky fielding at 168 he's suddenly a p4p great? moving up in weight can be great but it can also be cherry picking or simply done becaue you are fat and cant make weight. context is key

Broner is not P4P. I said look at the current P4P list. Broner was, once upon a time P4P, correct? And if GGG had moved to 168 to beat Fielding he'd still be P4P as he is now. Beating Fielding is better than Rolls man. At least Fielding had a secondary trinket. The EXACT SAME trinket GGG had before elevated to Super WBA..