How good is Andre Ward in an all time sense?

[CatchAndShoot]

Stop being so soft and easily triggered.

It's just my prediction.

Ward doesn't seem in a hurry to fight Stevenson

Not triggered, just being realistic. And I'm saying, your prediction is fueled by heavy amounts of crack rock smoke.

[CatchAndShoot]

Stevenson has yet to fight an A-level fighter and yet you have this weird fantasy about him. Yes, he has TNT in his left and he does have decent boxing ability but he still has not proven he is as good as Ward or Kovalev.

Bingo. Ward has proven himself over, and over, and over, and over again. A guy like Stevenson won't beat him. You better be slicker than slick, and be able to fight like a son of a ***** on the inside to beat Ward.

[KingHippo]

De la Hoya avoided lots of punches from very good boxers that have good timing and speed. I know because I've seen most of his fights. I explained to you on some occasions on why DLH got hit but I'll repeat it again, it's cause he wanted to go toe to toe. Look how he fought Mosley the first time vs the second time. Look how he outboxed Tito and other offensive machines.

You haven't told me **** on what Ward does that's better than DLH and against who it was.

Bro, I don't even think DelaHoya can throw a pivot. The guy has heart, but he's certainly not the most skilled. Ward has way more to his game that clinching. Just for starters, his upper body game is just crazy. DelaHoya is as stiff as they come. I'm really not being a fanatic here, but Ward is a god in the ring, DelaHoya's heart got him very far, but it wasn't skill. And he wasn't the smartest fighter either.

[CatchAndShoot]

Bro, I don't even think DelaHoya can throw a pivot. The guy has heart, but he's certainly not the most skilled. Ward has way more to his game that clinching. Just for starters, his upper body game is just crazy. DelaHoya is as stiff as they come. I'm really not being a fanatic here, but Ward is a god in the ring, DelaHoya's heart got him very far, but it wasn't skill. And he wasn't the smartest fighter either.

LMFAO that ******ed ass scratcher actually said ODLHYA was more skilled than Andre Ward?

[keepemup]

Ward is one of the best. He shows time and time again that he can rise to another level. He will retire undefeated.

[Mike D]

He shows time and time again that he can rise to another level. He will retire undefeated.

Yup, Andre's a ridiculously smart dude. He'll know when to hang em' up, and I agree, he'll retire unbeaten.

The guy has had a phenomenal career. And that's if he retired tomorrow. But dude ain't even done yet.

To me it's amazing how much **** he takes from fight fans...he's class, the epitome of a professional. A pro's pro. Has never shied away from a challenge. Has shown that he can dig deep as f**k when most guys would've folded.

Okay so his style isn't the prettiest. I get it. But at the end of the day he's a hell of a fighter and without question one of the absolute best of the era.

[All in]

i think hes top 10 of fighters of the 2000 to 2015 era

1. mayweather jr
2. pac
3. hopkins
4. wladimir
5. morales
6. marquez
7. barrera
8. vitali klitschko
9. andre ward
10. oscar de la hoya
11. felix trinidad
12. rigondeaux
13. mosley
14. calzaghe
15. sergio martinez
16. winky wright
17. castillo
18. corrales
19. bradley
20. froch

Ward is between top 75 and 100 all time

[bowlingkid09]

De la Hoya avoided lots of punches from very good boxers that have good timing and speed. I know because I've seen most of his fights. I explained to you on some occasions on why DLH got hit but I'll repeat it again, it's cause he wanted to go toe to toe. Look how he fought Mosley the first time vs the second time. Look how he outboxed Tito and other offensive machines.

You haven't told me **** on what Ward does that's better than DLH and against who it was.

I will help you out.

Ward has better head movement (De La Hoya's defense was primarily blocking/parrying which he was very good at), a better counter-puncher than De la Hoya (close), punches in a more compact fashion than De La Hoya, controls his opponent on the inside MUCH better than De La Hoya, and has a higher ring IQ than De La Hoya. Ward dominated Kessler and Froch by using control/smothering tactics which neutralized any oncoming fire.

What does De La Hoya do better? He blocks/parrys better than Ward (close), has a MUCH better jab than Ward and he puts his punches together MUCH better than Ward.
Plus De La Hoya had lethal power in his left.

Their styles are very different but I would argue that Ward was the better defensive fighter while De La Hoya was the more destructive offensive fighter. Ward has the edge in skills overall but it is close.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Bro, I don't even think DelaHoya can throw a pivot. The guy has heart, but he's certainly not the most skilled. Ward has way more to his game that clinching. Just for starters, his upper body game is just crazy. DelaHoya is as stiff as they come. I'm really not being a fanatic here, but Ward is a god in the ring, DelaHoya's heart got him very far, but it wasn't skill. And he wasn't the smartest fighter either.

Older Oscar is more stiff for sure, prime hmmmm I can see it both ways.

You still haven't told me much Mr. Grand IQ Boxing Genius.

Tell me what Ward does that is so great and against who it was. Please, enlighten me.

[bowlingkid09]

LMFAO that ******ed ass scratcher actually said ODLHYA was more skilled than Andre Ward?

I know, right?