Why does GGG get a pass for ducking Andre Ward?

[JK1700]

What 2 offers are you talking about? There was only one.


'Play' the business card? What I said is 100% and anybody with common sense would agree. You don't know if they would make big money as Ward had been coming off a long lay off and Golovkin was just about to headline his first PPV (which did really poor, that should tell you how big that fight at that point would be). FFS dude Ward just had two back to back fights with another p4p fighter and they sold what? 200k PPV with change in total. Froch and Chavez however, were and are guaranteed big paydays, Ward is not.

As for the Canelo part, I'm not touching that subject anymore. You're just talking out of your ass at this point and you know it. Sell your BS to somebody else.

1st offer was in late 2014, the other offer was the one in 2015. Look, I understand the business aspect of boxing more than most people, but if this guy's the boogeyman he should be willing to fight the best guys no excuses. I know neither guy is a big draw, there aren't any big draws in boxing besides Mayweather anyway. I would say Pacquiao but he's not even on PPV's anymore. Froch and Chavez make more money than Ward? You're reaching like crazy now, if he fought Ward it would've been two of the top p4p fighters going at it and a lot of people would have paid big money to see it. It would've been a HUGE lucrative fight.

You don't seriously think more people would watch him fight Chavez than Ward do you? Doesn't matter though because he didn't fight either of those guys. So the new debate becomes - Did he make more against Murray and Monroe than he would have with Ward? LOL. Just admit it they didn't want the fight and avoided it, if you can't see that by now, I really don't know what to tell you.

[TonyGe]

Of course B-Hop's gonna look bigger, he's probably been walking around at like 180-190 for a while now. I'm not asking him to fight B-Hop, LOL. Nobody's saying he's the GOAT MW, but HBO's telling everyone he's the next boogeyman and everyone's scared of him. When you have a reputation like that you're not allowed to avoid fights, simple as that. Normally i'd give him a pass because he is a MW but he said he'd go up then rejected the idea as soon as Ward pulled his card

What I'm was trying to say is the guys that sucessfully moved up have a bigger frame. The promotors and mainly his coach have been the ones saying he would beat anyone from the different weight classes. Gennady has echoed it a couple of times but this stuff is mainly coming from his coach. I'm sure you will get your wish but it may not be against Ward who is at LHW. I do not like the way Andre Ward gets a free pass to break the rules of boxing but I don't start threads about it. If he is involved in a fight and I watched it I'll comment on it. Your getting too wound up over this..

[GW Carter]

Nobody will go out of their way to fight the dirtiest boxer in history. Especially when he doesn't draw any fans.

[JK1700]

What I'm was trying to say is the guys that sucessfully moved up have a bigger frame. The promotors and mainly his coach have been the ones saying he would beat anyone from the different weight classes. Gennady has echoed it a couple of times but this stuff is mainly coming from his coach. I'm sure you will get your wish but it may not be against Ward who is at LHW. I do not like the way Andre Ward gets a free pass to break the rules of boxing but I don't start threads about it. If he is involved in a fight and I watched it I'll comment on it. Your getting too wound up over this..

I get that it's not always him saying these things, but once it's said, it's out there and you gotta live up to it. Just like if Mayweather Sr says "Floyd will fight the top JMW's" as fans we will then demand that. I'm just a bit confused as to why we make some guys take risks but others don't have to. I don't understand why...

Ward has had times where he's got a bit dirty and I don't condone that but I don't think the end to the Kovalev fight was dirty. He hit him low once but his trunks were pulled up way too high so body shots looked like low blows. What's he supposed to do just not throw any punches to the body? I thought about it and i'm like I don't like to see dirty fighting but if you were in the ring and some guy hit you low or behind the head you'd probably do it back, especially if the referee didn't stop it. I don't think he's a dirty fighter, but everyone has their opinion.

I'm really not worked up over this, I just wanted to put it out there and try to understand it, and see other people's perspective on it, debate it, etc.

[brettWall]

I still want to know where Ward was before the Monroe fight and shortly after it. This thread like all other anti GGGs make it sound as if there were numerous offers made by Ward and GGG was ducking him the whole time.

Ward actually lied when asked why he didn't make earlier offers. He said he did and mentioned some specific date, then backtracked and never mentioned it again.

[HandsofIron]

Because weight classes.

[Metho_4u]

We're in a era where fans and media are so quick to call out the fighters. As soon as a fight we want doesn't happen, fans start calling one guy or the other a ducker and the media writes stories about who doesn't want it etc. We know that some fighters are more liked/get preferential treatment but why was Golovkin allowed to avoid this fight so blatantly and not get any pushback for it? He got a pass.

They bill this guy as "the most feared person in boxing", he said he would fight anyone from 154 to 168 and Ward offered him a 50-50 split at 168 in 2014/2015 before he moved up to LHW. The offer was rejected in "36 minutes" because "Golovkin wants to unify the division, maybe in 2018 if all goes well".

When asked about Ward, GGG said "I'm not going to talk about him, I don't want to hear about him". That's right folks, the guy who is the most feared of anyone and will fight anyone at any weight, doesn't even want to talk about Andre Ward. When we're in a era of fighters always having to move up and constantly take challenges, why is this guy allowed to avoid a huge fight like that? You guys called Canelo a coward for not wanting to go from 154 to 160 to fight him straight away, but he won't even go up 1 weight class, not even one! The media wants to crown this guy p4p#1 but the best fighters have gone up 2-3 weight classes, and we're just going to give him a pass for not being willing to go up at all?

Let's be real they ducked the fight because they know Ward is the toughest boxer to beat in any weight division and more than likely would have exposed and beat him. I just think it's crazy, how some guys get criticized for what socks they wear, and other guys get a pass for anything and everything. It's just crazy.

Because ward is hated by so many here that have proven them wrong, stopped their hero kovalev because they were mad that ward b1tched golovkin.

Many here buy into the hype that is golovkin....hes had 1 single meaningful fight in his professional career, and it's not even about Ward as much as the fact he's never had a single intention to move up...nope, he's been perfectly happy in his weak MW division. However, now that canelo and charlo have moved up, now he talks retirement... coincidence? I don't think so, I don't think he'll beat Canelo, and if so, he would get out before the division heats up anymore and he has to fight charlo. He already lost to Danny imo anyway, but a record is a record, but he didn't look impressive in winning.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

Who gives me a pass? i know i dont, I know everyone who actually love boxing first figthers second dont!

[TX_BOXNG]

He didnt even try to negotiate for that fight then he made excuses about the weight at 168, lol himself called out anybody from 154-175, was willing to fight Chavez n Froch at 170s but would only fight Ward at 164 wtf lol, hes cheerleading fans talk trash about Ward trying to fight an smaller man but he goes and fights Kell Brook, himself said that fight wouldnt never happen cause hes too small lol

Ward moved on n up to 175 and stopped Sergio Kovolov p4p top 5 boxer

Now hes fighting Nelo which will be way better than the boring schooling Ward was gona give him

N we wouldnt have this amazing build up and fight of Nelo vs GGG

[N/A]

We're in a era where fans and media are so quick to call out the fighters. As soon as a fight we want doesn't happen, fans start calling one guy or the other a ducker and the media writes stories about who doesn't want it etc. We know that some fighters are more liked/get preferential treatment but why was Golovkin allowed to avoid this fight so blatantly and not get any pushback for it? He got a pass.

Golovkin's focus was to unify the middleweight division. How can he "duck" someone in a higher weight class that isn't willing to move down and is actually planning to move up?

Can we really call somebody a ducker when they're doing everything possible to beat every single champion in their division? Where is the logic in that?

Golovkin vs. Ward never made any sense, which is why it didn't happen. When both of them have a history of facing the best fighters in their division, to label either a ducker is pretty silly. They were going in different directions, weren't in the same weight class, and the fight didn't make any sense to either side.

Of course one side will blame the other and vice versa. Unless you're privy to the actual behind the scenes conversations and/or negotiations, all you're doing is allowing your existing bias to cloud your assessment of the situation.