Why does GGG get a pass for ducking Andre Ward?

[Squ□redCircle34]

Cuz HBO needed a GREAT Wh..I mean needed a all action superstar fighter that makes them money to keep that money train going!

Ward would've took 3G to the brink and grind him down to a pinch of salt then he'll see how it feels!

[Szef]

Look, don't get upset. I know exactly what i'm talking about and ive broken it down to you alone several times as well as in the first post. You might not understand, but i've explained it. Golovkin's team turned down the fight twice. You can't make excuses for that, he said he would fight anyone and at 168, then flatly ducked the fight once it was presented. He's fought several JMW's coming up and now he's fighting another, but he can't move up 1 division himself to fight a guy who was calling him out? I mean it's over and done with now but, seriously?

Alvarez having a few fights at 155 doesn't make him a real MW. Yeah he was fighting for the belt (which is the WBC f"cking up) and I agree if he's fighting for a MW belt he should fight the best MW (which he's doing), but it doesn't change the fact that he's still really a JMW and hasn't grown into a MW yet. GGG is fighting someone naturally a division below him, so why can't he go up 1 division?

He will probably go up after this fight now that Ward's gone

Golovkin offered to meet him at 164 and Ward turned it down, is that a duck too?

Look the problem with guys like you is that you take every BS a promoter (or in this case a coach) say to promote their fighters and run with it.

The 'anyone from 154-168' thing was just this, promoting. They started saying that when Golovkin started fighting in US and was still relatively unknown. Fighters have been saying 'anyone, anywhere' since the very beginning, GGG isn't the first one who said, and certainly not the lasy. Ward said he wants Klitschko and Joshua, are we gonna hold him accountable for that too?

The truth is, Golovkin is just like any other fighter nowadays, Ward included (especially him). He's after big paydays. And Ward, unlike Froch and Chavez Jr. isn't that. So Golovkin would've bypassed his big payday he'll get from Canelo and moved up only for another big payday. It's pretty simple. You think if Ward had a Canelo in SMW when he was still there he would've said 'no thanks, I don't care about money I'm moving up to fight Kovalev'? If you do, think again.

As for Canelo being a JMW, all I can is He hasn't been a JMW for quite a few years now, he's been killing himself to make that limit. Just look how drained he was at the weigh ins. He is the one who's been fighting fighters smaller than himself, not Golovkin.

[JK1700]

Can't believe people are actually making excuses for this. Imagine if Hearns didn't fight Hagler because he "wanted to unify his division" or if SRL didn't fight Hagler because "he was bigger than him". Bottom line - These excuses are fine if you just want him to be a very good fighter. But the media and a lot of fans are trying to build him up into one of the greatest Middleweights ever and i'm sorry until he fights another elite P4P fighter I can't compare him to guys like Hagler/B-Hop who fought other guys on the pound-for-pound list and beat them. He had a chance if he beat Ward to be p4p #1 and even if he lost it wouldn't have really damaged him (he went up to SMW, and faced the best in the world) but he wanted no part of it.

[Blu]

Just like in the real World - if you're white you get to get away with everything.

[JK1700]

Golovkin offered to meet him at 164 and Ward turned it down, is that a duck too?

Look the problem with guys like you is that you take every BS a promoter (or in this case a coach) say to promote their fighters and run with it.

The 'anyone from 154-168' thing was just this, promoting. They started saying that when Golovkin started fighting in US and was still relatively unknown. Fighters have been saying 'anyone, anywhere' since the very beginning, GGG isn't the first one who said, and certainly not the lasy. Ward said he wants Klitschko and Joshua, are we gonna hold him accountable for that too?

The truth is, Golovkin is just like any other fighter nowadays, Ward included (especially him). He's after big paydays. And Ward, unlike Froch and Chavez Jr. isn't that. So Golovkin would've bypassed his big payday he'll get from Canelo and moved up only for another big payday. It's pretty simple. You think if Ward had a Canelo in SMW when he was still there he would've said 'no thanks, I don't care about money I'm moving up to fight Kovalev'? If you do, think again.

As for Canelo being a JMW, all I can is He hasn't been a JMW for quite a few years now, he's been killing himself to make that limit. Just look how drained he was at the weigh ins. He is the one who's been fighting fighters smaller than himself, not Golovkin.

The 164 stuff was just media posturing, like most of what his team does. You can try to spin it any way you want but the bottom line is he had 2 offers for 50-50 and declined both. Facts. They didn't even want to negotiate, that says a lot.

Don't even try to play the "business" card because we both know it would've been a record payday for both of them. Not as big of a payday for GGG as Canelo is, but i'm not faulting him for fighting Canelo, i'm faulting him for not fighting Ward. Canelo was big for JMW that's true, but it's also true he's only had 1 fight over 155 so it's a stretch to call him a MW at this point. Canelo's fought some smaller guys, so has Golovkin. I think it'll be a good fight and I will give Golovkin credit if he wins. All i'm saying is, if the media and fans want him to be considered one of the Top p4p fighters and one of the best MW's ever he needs to step it up and fight elite guys who are the same size or above. All the other top p4p guys do it.

[JK1700]

Just like in the real World - if you're white you get to get away with everything.

I feel you. It plays a role in a lot of things, unfortunately. There's always preferential treatment/racism in life, sports, anything & everything.

I say that and everything else in this thread as a European white guy

[TonyGe]

The 164 stuff was just media posturing, like most of what his team does. You can try to spin it any way you want but the bottom line is he had 2 offers for 50-50 and declined both. Facts. They didn't even want to negotiate, that says a lot.

Don't even try to play the "business" card because we both know it would've been a record payday for both of them. Not as big of a payday for GGG as Canelo is, but i'm not faulting him for fighting Canelo, i'm faulting him for not fighting Ward. Canelo was big for JMW that's true, but it's also true he's only had 1 fight over 155 so it's a stretch to call him a MW at this point. Canelo's fought some smaller guys, so has Golovkin. I think it'll be a good fight and I will give Golovkin credit if he wins. All i'm saying is, if the media and fans want him to be considered one of the Top p4p fighters and one of the best MW's ever he needs to step it up and fight elite guys who are the same size or above. All the other top p4p guys do it.

Do some reading. It's actually rare that Middleweight title holders fight in a higher weight class. That was especially true before PEDs were invented. I give credit to B hop and the other guys that moved up sucessfully. That's to their credit. I also have to give credit to a guy if he unified his division. Have you seen photos of G and B Hop standing together haven't you noticed B Hop is much bigger than Golovkin. So tell me what serious media outlet says Golovkin is the best middleweight ever? Please provide a link.. You are getting hysterical over this guy.

[Szef]

The 164 stuff was just media posturing, like most of what his team does. You can try to spin it any way you want but the bottom line is he had 2 offers for 50-50 and declined both. Facts. They didn't even want to negotiate, that says a lot.

Don't even try to play the "business" card because we both know it would've been a record payday for both of them. Not as big of a payday for GGG as Canelo is, but i'm not faulting him for fighting Canelo, i'm faulting him for not fighting Ward. Canelo was big for JMW that's true, but it's also true he's only had 1 fight over 155 so it's a stretch to call him a MW at this point. Canelo's fought some smaller guys, so has Golovkin. I think it'll be a good fight and I will give Golovkin credit if he wins. All i'm saying is, if the media and fans want him to be considered one of the Top p4p fighters and one of the best MW's ever he needs to step it up and fight elite guys who are the same size or above. All the other top p4p guys do it.

What 2 offers are you talking about? There was only one.


'Play' the business card? What I said is 100% and anybody with common sense would agree. You don't know if they would make big money as Ward had been coming off a long lay off and Golovkin was just about to headline his first PPV (which did really poor, that should tell you how big that fight at that point would be). FFS dude Ward just had two back to back fights with another p4p fighter and they sold what? 200k PPV with change in total. Froch and Chavez however, were and are guaranteed big paydays, Ward is not.

As for the Canelo part, I'm not touching that subject anymore. You're just talking out of your ass at this point and you know it. Sell your BS to somebody else.

[JK1700]

Do some reading. It's actually rare that Middleweight title holders fight in a higher weight class. That was especially true before PEDs were invented. I give credit to B hop and the other guys that moved up sucessfully. That's to their credit. I also have to give credit to a guy if he unified his division. Have you seen photos of G and B Hop standing together haven't you noticed B Hop is much bigger than Golovkin. So tell me what serious media outlet says Golovkin is the best middleweight ever? Please provide a link.. You are getting hysterical over this guy.

Of course B-Hop's gonna look bigger, he's probably been walking around at like 180-190 for a while now. I'm not asking him to fight B-Hop, LOL. Nobody's saying he's the GOAT MW, but HBO's telling everyone he's the next boogeyman and everyone's scared of him. When you have a reputation like that you're not allowed to avoid fights, simple as that. Normally i'd give him a pass because he is a MW but he said he'd go up then rejected the idea as soon as Ward pulled his card

[j0zef]

• This topic has been created only about 5000 other times. Use the search function.
• Before you make a troll post, at least get basic facts straight. Fight wasn't 'offered' at any point in time, especially not in 2014, when Ward was injured with the shoulder.
• The fight was heavily discussed in early/mid 2015, and when it was turned down in 30 seconds, K2 and Golovkin already announced the Lemieux fight. And they did not say 'maybe 2018, they said maybe 2017', which made sense for anyone who was not a troll. At that time, mid 2015, the plan was for Golovkin to fight Lemieux and preserve the mandatory slot against Cotto/Canelo, which happened late in 2015. Since those 2 fight twice a year, the earliest Golovkin would get his shot would be mid 2016, or Sept 2016. Neither one happened because Oscar turned into a wuss. And no, he's not going to go up to 168 to fight Ward before coming back down and fighting Cotto/Canelo. Neither would any other boxer.
• Ward was offered Golovkin fight in 2013. He passed on it because Golovkin wasn't well known.
• And according to this Golovkin interview, which was never disputed by either Ward nor HBO, it was Ward who was not ready to fight in 2015.

At our meeting with HBO they asked us whether we are ready to box. You know our answers - I said yes, you said no. You said something about your shoulder or promoter - I'm not interested in the reason, I only heard your "no." But you remember that HBO said then that they would need a long time to build-up the fight. Then what the **** are you talking about excuses?"

Source: https://www.badlefthook.com/2015/6/1...sts-andre-ward

Poor troll attempt without knowledge of basic facts.