Contrary to ****** Logic. GGG is the boxer in this fight not canelo

[Mammoth]

It's not even debatable who the quicker fighter is. Quicker feet > over hands any day in boxing. Canelo will be chasing ggg and getting his face smashed by the jab. GGG will be moving back as he throws the jab not allowing canelo to do a pull counter like he did against the flat footed chavez jr.

What the hell am I reading?

[KingHippo]

very efficient skillset vs opponents that are catered to make canela look amazing...c'mon... he couldn't stop a cadaver dry chavez, if fonfara stopped chavez then canela shouldve especially with the drainage advantage

Who said anything about a knockout?

[KingHippo]

timing beats speed which is why GGG has a higher KO ratio. it's not raw power. he has great timing.


Canelo's shoulder roll will be picked apart by GGG because G throws probe shots. Canelo could roll a probe and eat a left hook to the gut.


Brook also has a great roll. i would say it's smoother and faster than Canelo's roll which always looks laboured because he's just so heavily muscled.

People are underestimating Canelo's durability. I don't think he will have issues taking some punishment, but he surely won't be as easy to hit as the average Golovkin opponent.

And timing has it's limits. Golovkin was painfully slow from round 6 against Jacobs, there's no amount of timing that can make up for that, especially against a fighter with reflexes like Canelo.

To me it's all a matter of how much pop there will be left to Golovkin's shots after the 5th. At equal forces, I think Canelo could take it. And we still don't know how Golovkin handles pressure since nobody had the skill nor guts to take him apply constant pressure on him. As a matter of fact, I don't think he can handle pressure at all.

[kafkod]

I have been saying this. Canelo has to avoid and neutralize GGG's power to win. How else can he do that but move, jab, move , jab and tie up.

GGG is very skilled but appears slower than Canelo so if he tries to outbox him we could get a Floyd/Canelo type deal. Brook was boxing him well and Canelo is superior to Kell IMO.

Plod is stronger and more durable than Brook, but Brook has much better movement and a better jab. He also has great awareness of range and distance, and how to use them, which are aspects of boxing Canelo knows nothing about .. that's why he's such a Plodder.

GGG also is very good at controlling range with footwork. That, and his jab, will win this fight for him, I believe. Canelo is basically a counter puncher. I see GGG pounding him with the jab, giving him nothing to counter, till he's ready to move in for the kill.

[champion4ever]

I agree with the OP. At some point, Canelo is going to have to want to engage and exchange punches with Golovkin, if he's going to stand any chance of winning this fight. He must find ways of increasing his work rate in order to win this fight.

He's not that hard to find with those slow feet of his or with that supercharged accurate range finding left jab of GGG's. That punch would prove to be the most pivotal and key punch of the fight.

If Canelo can't find away to somehow neutralize that punch then it's going to be lights out. The fight would be over by way of eighth round knockout. I say this because Canelo won't be able to land his counters if he can't.

[The Big Dunn]

Plod is stronger and more durable than Brook, but Brook has much better movement and a better jab. He also has great awareness of range and distance, and how to use them, which are aspects of boxing Canelo knows nothing about .. that's why he's such a Plodder.

GGG also is very good at controlling range with footwork. That, and his jab, will win this fight for him, I believe. Canelo is basically a counter puncher. I see GGG pounding him with the jab, giving him nothing to counter, till he's ready to move in for the kill.

I think Canelo looks that way in part because he has fought a lot of very good boxers where Brook really had not. I also think Canelo fighting a lot of guys that were smaller and moving up also contributed to him looking less fluid then I believe he is.

I agree GGG has skills, i just think Canelo's best chance to win is to box and move and nullify his offense.

if GGG can outbox Canelo then I agree he is going to dominate.

[kafkod]

People are underestimating Canelo's durability. I don't think he will have issues taking some punishment, but he surely won't be as easy to hit as the average Golovkin opponent.

And timing has it's limits. Golovkin was painfully slow from round 6 against Jacobs, there's no amount of timing that can make up for that, especially against a fighter with reflexes like Canelo.

To me it's all a matter of how much pop there will be left to Golovkin's shots after the 5th. At equal forces, I think Canelo could take it. And we still don't know how Golovkin handles pressure since nobody had the skill nor guts to take him apply constant pressure on him. As a matter of fact, I don't think he can handle pressure at all.

Since when did Canelo become a pressure fighter?

And how do know he can cope with Golovkin's power? Canelo's elite opponents have all been light punchers, usually smaller than him. His chin has never been checked by a hard hitting MW, which Golovkin most certainly is.

[Scipio2009]

i agree..had a argument with some canelista at the barbershop the other day. he was talkin about canelo having all these skills..i turned the tables around asked how would he fair vs jacobs and brook(pre-ggg)..his answer was "oh canelo wouldve stopped jacobs by the 8th""both of brooks eye sockets wouldve been shattered"....no joke..then he said ggg wouldnt dominate cadaver jr like the way canelo did....BUT ggg would beat liam smith by UD...SMH...LOL..thats when i said to myself that i wont argue with a canelista....pointless

Canelo has shown he can fight; Golovkin has yet to really show that he can really fight.

Floyd dominated him, but Alvarez has been in with Trout, Floyd, Lara, Angulo (with Virgil Hunter in the corner for tactics), Liam Smith (with Joe Gallagher in the corner for tactics), Amir Khan (again with Virgil), and Chavez Jr (with Nacho Beristan in the corner for tactics) and has performed well in the fights.

Golovkin got put in with Brook (didn't look too hot) and Daniel Jacobs (didn't look too hot either), two fighters who showed up with the world understanding that they can fight at that top level.

Barry Robinson, on AMSBoxing on YouTube, called this "Golovkin's black belt exam" and I think that's pretty spot on. Outside of Alvarez not having the quickest of feet, he's shown himself to be a complete world-level fighter; he can box off of the jab, slug on the inside, fight forward/backward, can set traps, can create offense off of his defense, etc.

If Golovkin blows out Alvarez in 6, it'll make a hell of a statement.

If Golovkin barely edges Alvarez, after barely edging Daniel Jacobs, and the Brook fight being what it was (before the eye went, Brook had already figured the distance and was tagging Golovkin, even with dealing with going up two full weight classes), it'd also make a hell of a statement.

Rather than any talk of Robinson/Hagler, Golovkin would've shown himself to be about as good as the other good fighters of this era.

This is an obvious tangent but Errol Spence Jr showed that he just might be one of the truly special fighters in the history of boxing; put in with a proven good fighter who was game to fight, Spence stepped up, executed the plan, figured out what he was in with, and was on his way to a dominant win over the last half of the fight (Brook's other eye went, but it was clear that Brook had run out of answers to what Spence Jr was putting on him).

Brook/Garcia/Porter all seem to be about at the same level, and Keith Thurman seems to be a hair better than that.

If Thurman and Spence Jr fight, and Spence runs away with the fight the way the Brook fight was headed, Errol Spence Jr proves that he is, indeed, a special fighter.

[kafkod]

I think Canelo looks that way in part because he has fought a lot of very good boxers where Brook really had not. I also think Canelo fighting a lot of guys that were smaller and moving up also contributed to him looking less fluid then I believe he is.

I agree GGG has skills, i just think Canelo's best chance to win is to box and move and nullify his offense.

if GGG can outbox Canelo then I agree he is going to dominate.

Yeah, if Canelo could frustrate GGG and get him over-reaching or charging in, he could do damage with his counters, especially the uppercut, which Brook used so well when GGG was charging after him. He also throws a lot of mean body punches.

But I keep coming back to Golovkin's jab .. it's not the fastest, but he pops it straight out from his usual guard, without any pull back or warning, and it's long, deadly accurate and deadly hard.

[satiev1]

People are underestimating Canelo's durability. I don't think he will have issues taking some punishment, but he surely won't be as easy to hit as the average Golovkin opponent.

And timing has it's limits. Golovkin was painfully slow from round 6 against Jacobs, there's no amount of timing that can make up for that, especially against a fighter with reflexes like Canelo.

To me it's all a matter of how much pop there will be left to Golovkin's shots after the 5th. At equal forces, I think Canelo could take it. And we still don't know how Golovkin handles pressure since nobody had the skill nor guts to take him apply constant pressure on him. As a matter of fact, I don't think he can handle pressure at all.

Then why was jacobs still getting hit with the jab?