Settle this Once and for All: Was Manny Pacquiao ever on PEDs?

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  • richardt
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    #41
    Whatever you believe, the fact is his rise through weight classes and so-called power has been dispelled as being proof. The article below from a while back shows all his fights and KO's analyzed and his pattern is the same as others who rose up in weight and having less power as they rose up.


    The myth of Pacquiao and carrying power through the divisions self.Boxing

    submitted 2 years ago * by harcile





    Age/Weight Performance Summary


    Weight

    Age Range

    Record

    Kayos (%)


    =<112lbs 16-17 12-1 4 (30%)
    112lbs 17-20 14-1 13 (87%)
    122lbs 21-24 11-0-1 11 (92%)
    126lbs 24-25 2-0-1 2 (66%)
    130lbs 26-29 7-1 4 (50%)
    135lbs 29 1-0 1 (100%)
    140lbs 30 1-0 1 (100%)
    147lbs 30-36 9-2 2 (18%)

    Pacquiao's mysterious ability to carry ridiculous power up through the weight classes is a really popular talking point by the (for what of a better term) pro-Pacquiao-PED gang, or the PPPs for short.

    So let's break down his career into weights and ages, using Pacquiao's full record on Boxrec.

    Early Career

    Pro debut aged 16 and 1 month, he weighed 106lbs (light flyweight).

    4th fight, aged 16, is at 110lbs (flyweight). His first loss is at flyweight, aged 17 as he is knocked out by the 23 year old Torrecampo in February 1996. After a decision victory in his next fight, Pacquiao is 11-1 with 4 kayos. That's a 30% knockout ratio.

    112lbs + First World Title

    He then goes on a knockout run culminating in winning his first world title, aged 18, the WBC flyweight title. Only 1 opponent makes it the distance in 14 fights. In his third defense of the title, Pacquiao misses weight and is knocked out with a body shot by rising Thai prospect Singsurat, who is 18-0 and 6 months older than Pacquiao whom attributes the loss to weight draining.

    122lbs + Second World Title

    Pacquiao then goes up 3 weight divisions for his next fight (yes, 3 - bypassing super flyweight and bantamweight) to successfully challenge for the super bantamweight title in December 1999, on his 21st birthday. He fights 12 times in total at 122lbs, winning all fights by kayo and drawing once in a fight prematurely sent to the scorecards after a cut opened by some awful fouls (how this wasn't a DQ is crazy). He last fights at 122lbs aged 24.

    126lbs

    His stint at featherweight is brief. He defeats Barrera before being robbed of the title by a judging error in his dramatic draw with Juan Manuel Marquez, as the judge who scores it a draw only awards Pacquiao 10-7 for the first round instead of 10-6. He knocks out one more opponent for a final 126lbs record of 2-0-1 (2 kayos) ages 24-25.

    130lbs + 3rd World Title

    He debuts at 130lbs aged 26, challenging Morales for his super featherweight titles, suffering defeat at the first time above 112lbs. He rebounds to stop Morales twice but is taken the distance in victories over Marquez, Barrera, and Oscar Larios for a final 130lb record of 7-1 with 4 kayos. His destructive power is already not quite as evident at this weight class albeit he is in with elite opponents on a regular basis.

    The Rise That Scared Mayweather

    He fought once at lightweight, thrashing Diaz en route to a 9th round stoppage. His next fight is at welterweight against Oscar De La Hoya, who, having had serious problems making weight, is stopped on his stool for an 8th round retirement just short of his 30th birthday.

    The next 2 fights set up the Pacquiao "must be on PEDs" myth. At 140lbs, Pacquiao destroys Hatton who is unable to deal with Pacquiao's speed and accuracy. Hatton fought a horrible fight, without defense and wild offense.

    147lbs + The Last KO

    Pacquiao returns to 147lbs to fight Cotto at a catchweight of 145lbs. Cotto is game and brings the fight to Pacquiao, but pays the price as he is dropped twice before succumbing to a 12th round TKO. It is the last stoppage victory of Pacquiao's career (to date).

    At welterweight, against competitive opposition there is only 1 stoppage (Cotto). He came close to getting other stoppages (Margarito, Marquez, Algieri) and has dropped several guys (Mosley, Algieri, Marquez). His welterweight record, to date, is 9-2 with 2 kayos.

    Conclusion

    I think we can put to bed the notion that Pacquiao's punching power carried unhindered through the weights - one of the core arguments of the PPPs as to why he must have taken PEDs. There is a clear progression of 'power' which peaks at 122lbs. As he climbs above that, his kayo % drops (with insufficient samples at 135/140 to show this) and his stoppages trend towards later in fights after accumulation.

    PS. I do fight predictions on my Youtube channel Boxing Focus. (Having a good 2015! Had a shocking 2014.)
    Last edited by richardt; 07-05-2017, 10:02 AM.

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    • New England
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      #42
      i suspect he and floyd of taking peds, yes.


      honestly, we have a lot more reason to believe that floyd was on something. guy was popped with an IV in his arm, and it took weeks for the truth to come out about the story. after the fight they got an exemption. the very same treatment is used to mask PEDS.


      all we have for manny is an involvement with ariza [most damning,] his refusal to take additional drug testing when flyd mayweather demanded it [something your team would advise you not to do, which we can go over later in the thread if you'd like,] and his performances [he had a one punch knockout over hatton, but otherwise he actually needed several rounds at or around WW to hurt durable opponents.]


      i suspect both were on something. i have greater reason to suspect floyd because of the IV fiasco. can't see any reasonable person not suspecting either. certainly don't respect any biased bscene F#ggots who think one cheated while believing the other is virtuous.

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      • Xi_
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        #43
        Pacquiao cheated and Floyd is clean....only a ***** a$$ pacf@g would disagree.

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        • Metho_4u
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          #44
          Originally posted by dx_misled
          he is okay with drug testing, just not three days before the fight.
          when he lost to morales he said he felt weak when he had his blood taken a few days before the fight. that is what he refused. they can get any samples they want before three days or directly after the fight.
          and around those years is the time when he grew less and less dependent on his left hand and more of a boxer.
          drugs don't teach you how to box.
          True fanboy idiot post

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          • brettWall
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            #45
            First time I heard of it I waited for the evidence. Fast forward, nothing.

            Interesting part was a short while later, Manny Pacquiao was on 60 minutes out of a double feature alongside Barack *****. Basically tribute features mostly their positive contribution to their respective societies. Nothing about PED usage was asked of Manny. Meaning, CBS didn't take it seriously.

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            • djtmal
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              #46
              its a possibility, but its a possibility for all these mofos...damn near mayweathers whole gym got popped, shane got popped, but they sensationalize it with the little guy who never failed a test...wtf

              i mean, if it wasn't for mayweather being so scared to fight him without trying to pull blood from him in between rounds of the fight in 2009, then when he finally grows a pair what happens, he's sitting in his crib with a needle in his arm...so go figure...

              this crap wouldn't be as sensationalized as it has been had the mayweathers not been on the bait and switch shenanigans...

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              • Vegemil
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                #47
                No you can go up 30+ pounds in weight and keep your power and speed. We got some real dumbasses in here who must really love Pac.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by New England
                  i suspect he and floyd of taking peds, yes.


                  honestly, we have a lot more reason to believe that floyd was on something. guy was popped with an IV in his arm, and it took weeks for the truth to come out about the story. after the fight they got an exemption. the very same treatment is used to mask PEDS.


                  all we have for manny is an involvement with ariza [most damning,] his refusal to take additional drug testing when flyd mayweather demanded it [something your team would advise you not to do, which we can go over later in the thread if you'd like,] and his performances [he had a one punch knockout over hatton, but otherwise he actually needed several rounds at or around WW to hurt durable opponents.]


                  i suspect both were on something. i have greater reason to suspect floyd because of the IV fiasco. can't see any reasonable person not suspecting either. certainly don't respect any biased bscene F#ggots who think one cheated while believing the other is virtuous.
                  What is a saline IV most commonly used for? What do boxers do to make weight?

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                  • SCEN3RY
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                    #49
                    There's an excuse for why he stopped anyone he has at welter. Cotto (drained and finished), Hatton (already stopped), Hoya (deathly drained and finished)...Pacquiao climbing in weight is impressive but he's not the first fighter to do so and as far as doing something incredible to a prime welter...that never actually happened. His performances can be rationalized imo without the need for PEDs.

                    Ultiimately, I don't think he used, but I have been su****ious of a lot of guys and Pacquiao is one of many, including his welterweight counterpart. Pacquiao could be using now for all we know (I don't believe)...he's just 38 and he's not going to look the same either way. Age is undeniable, if you guys are asking why doesn't he look the same as he did at 28...PEDs are not the answer lol
                    Last edited by SCEN3RY; 07-05-2017, 10:49 AM.

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                    • Death_Adder
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                      #50
                      Yes, once he got off PEDs he became an average fighter.

                      Same thing happened to BALCO Mosley, busted for PEDs after the second De la Hoya fight, he couldn't win another fight.

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