Settle this Once and for All: Was Manny Pacquiao ever on PEDs?

[SonnyboyReturns]

You know nothing, sure they'd lose some muscle but not all of it.

But this thread is about Pacquiao, stop deflecting.

He'd lose enough to never resemble Floyd. Unless he starts using what Floyd takes.

Deflecting? This is the third poll option: "All elite fighters (Manny, Floyd, etc) will take certain "enhancements"....."

I believe both have taken PED's so I'm well within reason to discuss Floyd.

[AllBoxingAD]

If i had to bet, I would say yes, absolutely.

You can increase power through technique yes but his increase in power and physical strenght... I dont know how to explain it.

Pac threw the kitchen sink at Marco at what, 126 i think, he landed everything but couldnt take Marco out. He caught Morales flush a couple times but couldnt take him down. But he goes up to 147/150 and guys like Cotto, Mosley and Margarito cant take his punches.

Im just saying I dont know how to explain it.

[Robbie Barrett]

He'd lose enough to never resemble Floyd. Unless he starts using what Floyd takes.

Deflecting? This is your third poll option: "All elite fighters (Manny, Floyd, etc) will take certain "enhancements"....."

I believe both have taken PED's so I'm well within reason to discuss Floyd.

No he wouldn't if it was that easy to spot a steroid cheat everyone would spot them.

Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about.

And yes you're deflecting this thread is about if you think Pacquiao is a roid cheat not Mayweather.

[Caught Square]

I don't think so, 147 lbs was a push but he only stopped Oscar at that weight, i think even this version of Manny would stop that version of Oscar. Manny was in his prime when he fought Clottey right? and that wasn't a stoppage which would be expected since Clottey is huge and durable.

If he started stopping guys and/or easily taking punches at 154 and 160 that would be highly su****ious but clearly that was a step to far.

Also the whole thing about him magically slowing down after Ariza left is revisionist nonsense. Ariza worked with him up until the 4th Marquez fight and people were saying Pac hadn't looked good from as early as the Mosley fight.

[SonnyboyReturns]

No he wouldn't if it was that easy to spot a steroid cheat everyone would spot them.

Stop pretending like you know what you're talking about.

And yes you're deflecting this thread is about if you think Pacquiao is a roid cheat not Mayweather.

Well you obviously don't know how to spot a PED user as I have explained.

Both have used PED's and I'm discussing Floyd. What are you going to do about it?

[AllBoxingAD]

Oh and ill add this.

How can I NOT believe he was on something when he turned down the biggest fight in boxing history over random testing?

Lets say I buy the whole blood tests make him weak theory. Boxers get into fights not being 100% ALL THE TIME. Sore hands, twisted this, hurt that... Im sorry Im not buying the idea that you turn down that fight because you might not be 100% due to a blood test. I just cant see it.

[Robbie Barrett]

Well you obviously don't know how to spot a PED user as I have explained.

Both have used PED's and I'm discussing Floyd. What are you going to do about it?

Who needs drug tests when Sonnyboyreturns can spot em just by looking at them. VADA should hire you they'll save a lot of money.

Is this guy on steroids?



How about this guy?

[Metho_4u]

Pacquiao didn't decline the drug test. He just wanted the cut off date, it started when 30, then 24, then 14. After Manny Accepted that, Many demands where offered once more.

Yes, to get the stuff out of his system...duh

[champion4ever]

Well at some point he probably was because there were obvious red flags and warning signs to suggest that he was on them but there was never any empirical evidence proven to even suggest that he was. It was all rumor, innuendo, su****ion, and hearsay; However, no proof. Since there was no proof to suggest that he was ever on them, then he is innocent and in my judgement gets every benefit of a doubt.

[SonnyboyReturns]

Who needs drug tests when Sonnyboyreturns can spot em just by looking at them. VADA should hire you they'll save a lot of money.

Drug tests are like IQ tests so I'm not surprised Floyd or Manny can pass with the help of their team. Just ask Angel Heredia.

Then again even if Floyd were to get a positive sample he always has USADA in his back pocket.

Also where did I say I can spot em just by looking at them? You have to take into account various pieces of information. In Floyd's case we have his famous IV usage and Pacquiao refusing drug testing for no valid reason.

pulling up pictures of "pre steroid era" bodybuilders. Firstly, Steroids were known to be in circulation at that time just not popularly known to be so. As for Eugene Sandow google "1889 steroid extracts".