Let me give you an idea on how great Roy Jones Jr really was

[ghost94]

LMAO

After fighting Roy, Hopkins wouldn't lose another fight for 10 years.

Stop talking out of your ass...

Roy beat him before that.

It's like saying Floyd beat the exact same Canelo that GGG is going to face. Hopkins improved over those 10 years. So did Roy. But what you can't do is say Roy beat a GGG and a Canelo at 160. It didn't happen.

[BattlingNelson]

Roy didn't duck Dariusz. You don't know what you're talking about.

I wouldn't really respond in this thread mate, but the statement above is questionable at best. At least the first part.

We have been through this quite a few times over the years, and I cannot just sit back and Watch statements like this go unopposed.

You know full well that DM was the lineal champion and the man to beat at LHW. He even made several offers for Jones to come over and get a shot at the title. We all know that it didn't happen because Jones didn't want to travel stating the Olympic fiasco and somehow that gets him a pass from the fanbois.

Have a great weekend.

[IMDAZED]

I wouldn't really respond in this thread mate, but the statement above is questionable at best. At least the first part.

We have been through this quite a few times over the years, and I cannot just sit back and Watch statements like this go unopposed.

You know full well that DM was the lineal champion and the man to beat at LHW. He even made several offers for Jones to come over and get a shot at the title. We all know that it didn't happen because Jones didn't want to travel stating the Olympic fiasco and somehow that gets him a pass from the fanbois.

Have a great weekend.

He didn't duck Micalcewszki. HBO stepped in to try and sweeten the pot and realized the same thing. Micalzewski promoter Klaus Peter-Kohl was selling wolf tickets

[robertzimmerman]

I wouldn't really respond in this thread mate, but the statement above is questionable at best. At least the first part.

We have been through this quite a few times over the years, and I cannot just sit back and Watch statements like this go unopposed.

You know full well that DM was the lineal champion and the man to beat at LHW. He even made several offers for Jones to come over and get a shot at the title. We all know that it didn't happen because Jones didn't want to travel stating the Olympic fiasco and somehow that gets him a pass from the fanbois.

Have a great weekend.

Hiya mate,

yeah, we've been through this countless times. And my stance will never change.

I realise that Dariusz was the man to beat. But Roy should not be criticised for not going to Germany, not when he'd been scarred from the Olympics, and he'd seen Dariusz cheat to get Rocchigianni DQ'd in their first fight.

Not wanting to fight Dariusz in Germany wasn't a duck.

The reason I criticise Dariusz and not Roy, is very simple:

Right from the outset, Roy said he'd never go to Germany. He made that abundantly clear. Whereas Dariusz told the media that he was willing to go to the U.S. Now if Dariusz had been honest and said there was no way he was leaving Germany, then I'd have accepted that. But he gave the fans false hope by pretending he'd be willing to travel. And we both know that it was all complete BS. We know that he and his team weren't interested and they were never willing to sit down with Roy's advisors and HBO.

I've told you countless times, people can say anything. If you want to know if someone is serious about making a big fight, don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. Roy wanted a big fight and Dariusz didn't. And we have the proof.

When the Dariusz fight couldn't be made in 2001, Roy targeted Bernard Hopkins for a huge fight in 2002. But Bernard turned down $6m from HBO, and demanded $10m instead. He then spent a year out of the ring before fighting Morrade Hakkar for $1.3m. Like Dariusz, he was all talk. But after failed negotiations with Hopkins, Roy then signed to fight John Ruiz. And after Ruiz, he then fought Tarver. They were 2 big fights, back to back. Now go and have a look at what Dariusz did within that same timeframe. Go and look at who he fought. His resume speaks volumes.

At the end of the day, neither guy would make concessions. And it's a real shame. But it's complete nonsense to say that Roy ducked him. Germany was notorious for horrible decisions, and rightly or wrongly, at the time of negotiations, Roy had all of the major belts. We know that Dariusz was unfairly stripped, but that has nothing to do with Roy. Looking from his perspective, he was well within his rights to not want to travel. And yes, you could say the same looking from Dariusz's perspective. But again, he was the one who wrote letters to magazines and told the media he was willing to travel, even though he clearly wasn't.

You can blame both of their egos for not willing to make concessions, but at the end of the day, Roy proved to everyone that he was genuine about wanting the biggest fights out there. However, the same cannot be said regarding Dariusz. Again, after negotiations had broken down, he just carried on doing what he'd done previously, which was to milk the WBO in Germany. He carried on fighting C class fighters, two of which who'd already been beaten by Roy earlier.

Did you see the Ring's annual ratings that I posted?

[BattlingNelson]

Hiya mate,

yeah, we've been through this countless times. And my stance will never change.

I realise that Dariusz was the man to beat. But Roy should not be criticised for not going to Germany, not when he'd been scarred from the Olympics, and he'd seen Dariusz cheat to get Rocchigianni DQ'd in their first fight.

Not wanting to fight Dariusz in Germany wasn't a duck.

The reason I criticise Dariusz and not Roy, is very simple:

Right from the outset, Roy said he'd never go to Germany. He made that abundantly clear. Whereas Dariusz told the media that he was willing to go to the U.S. Now if Dariusz had been honest and said there was no way he was leaving Germany, then I'd have accepted that. But he gave the fans false hope by pretending he'd be willing to travel. And we both know that it was all complete BS. We know that he and his team weren't interested and they were never willing to sit down with Roy's advisors and HBO.

I've told you countless times, people can say anything. If you want to know if someone is serious about making a big fight, don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. Roy wanted a big fight and Dariusz didn't. And we have the proof.

When the Dariusz fight couldn't be made in 2001, Roy targeted Bernard Hopkins for a huge fight in 2002. But Bernard turned down $6m from HBO, and demanded $10m instead. He then spent a year out of the ring before fighting Morrade Hakkar for $1.3m. Like Dariusz, he was all talk. But after failed negotiations with Hopkins, Roy then signed to fight John Ruiz. And after Ruiz, he then fought Tarver. They were 2 big fights, back to back. Now go and have a look at what Dariusz did within that same timeframe. Go and look at who he fought. His resume speaks volumes.

At the end of the day, neither guy would make concessions. And it's a real shame. But it's complete nonsense to say that Roy ducked him. Germany was notorious for horrible decisions, and rightly or wrongly, at the time of negotiations, Roy had all of the major belts. We know that Dariusz was unfairly stripped, but that has nothing to do with Roy. Looking from his perspective, he was well within his rights to not want to travel. And yes, you could say the same looking from Dariusz's perspective. But again, he was the one who wrote letters to magazines and told the media he was willing to travel, even though he clearly wasn't.

You can blame both of their egos for not willing to make concessions, but at the end of the day, Roy proved to everyone that he was genuine about wanting the biggest fights out there. However, the same cannot be said regarding Dariusz. Again, after negotiations had broken down, he just carried on doing what he'd done previously, which was to milk the WBO in Germany. He carried on fighting C class fighters, two of which who'd already been beaten by Roy earlier.

I am not going into this Again, but I notice that your stance has actually changed in you finally recognizing that DM was the man to beat.

I also, Again, note that Jones gets a pass for not wanting to travel.

Did you see the Ring's annual ratings that I posted?

No.

You may remember that i have a thread here showing all the fighters that Jones didn't fight compared to those he did.

However this horse is if not dead, then in a coma. At this point in time I cannot be arsed to go through it all Again, even though I like debating with you and admire your tenacity and good manners (towards me at least )

[IronDanHamza]

Pure lies.

Thadzi destroyed Toney. Darius destroyed Thadzi.

Montell Griffin punished toney and was boxin Roids ears off till
Roid got frustrated and hit him with a cheap shot. Darius destroyed Griffin. He did't need 2 fights and a suckerpuch to do it.

Dariuzs wanted Roid. But Roid turned it down.

Now I ask again who did roid beat?

Griffin dominated Dariauz for 4 rounds until he got caught.

Could argue the stoppage was early too.

He won fair and good win but don't say he destroyed him because that's not true.

Roy Jones destroyed him in the rematch.

[robertzimmerman]

Griffin dominated Dariauz for 4 rounds until he got caught.

Could argue the stoppage was early too.

He won fair and good win but don't say he destroyed him because that's not true.

Roy Jones destroyed him in the rematch.

Don't waste your time on that fool.

He's either a troll or an idiot.

[djtmal]

Great post.

Benn genuinely wanted to fight him, but it became impossible for Don King and Roy's advisors - the Levin Bros, to reach a compromise. They had a genuine distrust and dislike of each other.

Collins also genuinely wanted Roy. But he was left behind in 96, and HBO didn't want to air a fight in 99.

Good insight thanks

[robertzimmerman]

I am not going into this Again, but I notice that your stance has actually changed in you finally recognizing that DM was the man to beat.

I also, Again, note that Jones gets a pass for not wanting to travel.

No.

You may remember that i have a thread here showing all the fighters that Jones didn't fight compared to those he did.

However this horse is if not dead, then in a coma. At this point in time I cannot be arsed to go through it all Again, even though I like debating with you and admire your tenacity and good manners (towards me at least )

I've always recognised the fact that Dariusz was unfairly stripped.


Yes, Roy definitely gets a pass from me for not going to Germany. Again, that was due to the following factors:

1. He'd been robbed in the Olympics.

2. Germany was notorious for bad decisions.

3. He'd seen Dariusz pathetically feign injury to get Roch DQ'd.


I love debating/arguing with you. I will always show good manners. You're one of my favourite posters.


Show me the list you're referring to. Remember that I once analysed a list of yours though? Or it may have been someone else's? The one where you listed 13 fighters who were supposedly deserving of a fight with Roy when he was a SMW. I broke it down and proved to you that 6 from the list clearly weren't deserving. But if it's a different one, post it and we'll discuss it objectively. Either bump the thread, or just post it on here.

[robertzimmerman]

Good insight thanks

No problem mate.