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The versions of Roy who fought from 1992-2003, would have to be favoured against any fighter today from MW-CW.
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I'll just put it like this. Joe Calzaghe never makes it out of the first round against Prime RJJ.Another ignorant post.
Comments like the ones above really make me wonder how long you've been watching boxing.
Every fighter's circumstances are different.
Kovalev isn't past prime.
At 35, after 50 fights, that included going to HW and back, Roy was.
Nobody thinks that Glen Johnson would have beaten the LHW versions of Roy who beat the likes of Hill and Reggie. There was a very noticeable difference between Roy at his peak, and the versions from 2003-2004.
Regarding Joe, he was obviously a better fighter than Roy on the night. But the best versions of Joe, wern't better than the best versions of Roy. Roy was clearly on another level in his prime.
Before we go any further, you really need to view the following links. When Roy was anywhere near his best, Joe made sure he stayed well clear. But when he knew he was done, he was happy to offer him a fight. And that was after he'd dismissed him on numerous occasions. When it came to Roy, Joe was a scavenger.
Here:
1999:
"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money"
2003:
"I could probably give Jones a tough fight, probably the best fight he's ever had," said Calzaghe. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown ***els I wouldn't want to risk it."
2007:
"I have no interest anymore in Roy Jones, and no interest in Antonio Tarver. Jones is washed up, and Tarver was never that good anyway, he just caught Jones when he was shot and Johnson did the same"
2008:
Go to 6 min, 30 secs
http://********/AWDtzdAYTOA
2008:
Absolutely pathetic.
Joe would never have fought Roy in his prime. And if he had've done, every knowledgeable fan including Joe himself, knows exactly what would have happened.
I get that you're a huge fan, but it's time for you to get your head from out of your ass and have a reality check.
Joe was so obsessed with keeping his zero intact, he played it safe, defending a lightly regarded WBO belt for 21 times, against mainly B and C class opposition.
He wasn't at all unbeatable, but he made damn sure he was going to retire undefeated.
Get back to me.
Don't give me a typical fan boy response.
Give me an actual response based upon the above.
Remember when old, over the hill Roy, put Calzaghe on his ass in the first round? Prime Roy jumps on him similar to how he jumped on Vinny P and finishes Joe in style. Case closedComment
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There would only ever have been one winner, but I think that the outcome would have depended on their mind sets going in. To be honest, I know Joe would never have taken the fight. But if we assume that he would have done for the sake of argument, then I think there'd have been 1 of only 2 possible outcomes:
1. Joe would have come out extremely cautious, respecting Roy's speed and power.
Result = Roy by U/D
2. Joe would have come out aggressively, throwing his trademark number of punches, looking to overwhelm Roy.
Result = Roy by TKO/KO
Regarding Big Drama Show, he doesn't know anything about Roy's career.Last edited by robertzimmerman; 06-30-2017, 07:11 PM.Comment
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Yeah, BDS doesn't have a clue.
No matter how you cut it, Calzaghe couldn't hold Jones' spit bucket. And to be honest, if RJJ wasn't so shot to schit, that fight doesn't make it out of the first or 2nd round.
Jones dropped Calzaghe and had him out on his feet, but then didn't throw any punches. Jones did the same thing with Trinidad when Tito was done. If Calzaghe was almost KO'd by old over the hill Roy Jones in the first round, it's nothing he could possibly do with vintage Roy. This is just the reality.
But hey, most people DKSAB on this siteComment
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@ 13:56
Calzaghe doesn't survive against Prime RJJ. Anyone familiar with Jones and knew what he was capable of would know that Calzaghe would last, at best, another 10-15 seconds. But because this version of Jones was so shot to schit, he couldn't even throw punches when he had Joe done.
This is common knowledgeComment
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Yeah, and in my honest opinion, Joe himself knows that he could never have beaten a peak version of Roy.
I know a lot about Joe, I followed his entire career. Unfortunately, he was bullied as a kid at school. I was lucky enough to have avoided that when I was a kid. I wouldn't wish on it anybody. But the reason he was so obsessed with retiring unbeaten is because he was bullied. He made a vow to himself that he'd never lose again. And Joe's ego is so big, a loss would have been very difficult for him to have overcome mentally. But it was that unfortunate episode that led to him being so protective and defending a lightly regarded belt 21 times. Joe was obviously a very talented guy, and although he had a great career, with a different mindset, it could have been greater, even with the odd loss or two on his resume. He should have been fighting at LHW from his late 20's onwards.
Guys like BDS are too fixated on the stats. He genuinely thinks that Joe was unbeatable just because he retired undefeated.
Like you've alluded to, if any version of Joe had fought the 26 year old version of Roy who fought Vinny, they'd have been truly shocked out the outcome.Last edited by robertzimmerman; 06-30-2017, 07:29 PM.Comment
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Prime Roy would never have lost to a fighter like Tarver. The Jones who beat Richard Hall in 2000 schools Tarver and probably stops him.
Last edited by Vadrigar.; 07-01-2017, 04:48 PM.Comment
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Refer to my post in this thread:
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