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Another ignorant post.
Comments like the ones above really make me wonder how long you've been watching boxing.
Every fighter's circumstances are different.
Kovalev isn't past prime.
At 35, after 50 fights, that included going to HW and back, Roy was.
Nobody thinks that Glen Johnson would have beaten the LHW versions of Roy who beat the likes of Hill and Reggie. There was a very noticeable difference between Roy at his peak, and the versions from 2003-2004.
Regarding Joe, he was obviously a better fighter than Roy on the night. But the best versions of Joe, wern't better than the best versions of Roy. Roy was clearly on another level in his prime.
Before we go any further, you really need to view the following links. When Roy was anywhere near his best, Joe made sure he stayed well clear. But when he knew he was done, he was happy to offer him a fight. And that was after he'd dismissed him on numerous occasions. When it came to Roy, Joe was a scavenger.
Here:
1999:
"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money"
2003:
"I could probably give Jones a tough fight, probably the best fight he's ever had," said Calzaghe. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown ***els I wouldn't want to risk it."
2007:
"I have no interest anymore in Roy Jones, and no interest in Antonio Tarver. Jones is washed up, and Tarver was never that good anyway, he just caught Jones when he was shot and Johnson did the same"
2008:
Go to 6 min, 30 secs
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2008:
Absolutely pathetic.
Joe would never have fought Roy in his prime. And if he had've done, every knowledgeable fan including Joe himself, knows exactly what would have happened.
I get that you're a huge fan, but it's time for you to get your head from out of your ass and have a reality check.
Joe was so obsessed with keeping his zero intact, he played it safe, defending a lightly regarded WBO belt for 21 times, against mainly B and C class opposition.
He wasn't at all unbeatable, but he made damn sure he was going to retire undefeated.
Get back to me.
Don't give me a typical fan boy response.
Give me an actual response based upon the above.Last edited by robertzimmerman; 06-26-2017, 03:51 PM.Comment
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Roy didn't avoid those fighters at all.
You need to look at the timelines, and you need to know Roy's circumstances at the time, and what was happening behind the scenes.
You can't just throw names around.
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what you've typed is nonsense. Most of those fights weren't viable, others were pointless, and Eubank admitted that he didn't pursue any of the big name U.S. fighters, which included him saying: "Fighting Roy at his best would have been suicide" Like Calzaghe who came after him, Eubank was just content to defend his lightly regarded WBO belt on Sky and ITV.Comment
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joe was being modest. he wasnt a trash talker and was paying roy respect. man you guys overrate jones jr, he was a great fighter but he wasnt superman. his opposition was largely trash consisting of B and C level american fighters and calzaghe did a number on arguably his best win (hopkins). but the thing is you yanks are more familiar with these americans, but not the guys joe beat, so you make the wins out to be better than they really are, his CV is littered with garbage, quit watching the highlight reels and actually study his CV.Another ignorant post.
Comments like the ones above really make me wonder how long you've been watching boxing.
Every fighter's circumstances are different.
Kovalev isn't past prime.
At 35, after 50 fights, that included going to HW and back, Roy was.
Nobody thinks that Glen Johnson would have beaten the LHW versions of Roy who beat the likes of Hill and Reggie. There was a very noticeable difference between Roy at his peak, and the versions from 2003-2004.
Regarding Joe, he was obviously a better fighter than Roy on the night. But the best versions of Joe, wern't better than the best versions of Roy. Roy was clearly on another level in his prime.
Before we go any further, you really need to view the following links. When Roy was anywhere near his best, Joe made sure he stayed well clear. But when he knew he was done, he was happy to offer him a fight. And that was after he'd dismissed him on numerous occasions. When it came to Roy, Joe was a scavenger.
Here:
1999:
"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money"
2003:
"I could probably give Jones a tough fight, probably the best fight he's ever had," said Calzaghe. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown ***els I wouldn't want to risk it."
2007:
"I have no interest anymore in Roy Jones, and no interest in Antonio Tarver. Jones is washed up, and Tarver was never that good anyway, he just caught Jones when he was shot and Johnson did the same"
2008:
Go to 6 min, 30 secs
http://********/AWDtzdAYTOA
2008:
Absolutely pathetic.
Joe would never have fought Roy in his prime. And if he had've done, every knowledgeable fan including Joe himself, knows exactly what would have happened.
I get that you're a huge fan, but it's time for you to get your head from out of your ass and have a reality check.
Joe was so obsessed with keeping his zero intact, he played it safe, and defended a lightly regarded WBO belt for 21 times.
He wasn't unbeatable, but he made damn sure he was going to retire undefeated.
Get back to me.
Don't give me a typical fan boy response.
Give me an actual response based on the above.Comment
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"Did a number on arguably his best win"
Yeah, 15 years later
He arguably lost that fight aswellComment
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Great post.
Benn genuinely wanted to fight him, but it became impossible for Don King and Roy's advisors - the Levin Bros, to reach a compromise. They had a genuine distrust and dislike of each other.
Collins also genuinely wanted Roy. But he was left behind in 96, and HBO didn't want to air a fight in 99.Comment
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