Cotto was not going to be competitive with Mayweather at 140 during 2004-2006

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  • Real King Kong
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    #51
    Originally posted by therealpugilist
    i wasnt disappointed because IMO around 2004-2006 cotto hadnt shown he was ready...by the time he beat Mosley in november 2007 and after Mayweather beat hatton wouldve been awesome but floyd retired after in december

    honestly, i never saw the fight happening as long as cotto was with arum...wasnt his fight with mayweather his first as a free agent from top rank? that was no coincidence...
    Not after floyd left arum anyway. It might have happened sooner if floyd stayed at toprank.

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      #52
      Originally posted by djtmal
      good thing we got floyd vs. oldsley at the time we got it...floyd might have ruined his career had they fought @ 135...
      That fight wasn't being talked about much cuz by the time floyd went to 135, mosley was already at 147. Those are the exact type of fights fans want tho...guys at their absolute peak testing themselves against other top level fighters. Those are also the type of fights mayweather wasn't in much after 135. There weren't that many fights that he missed, but there were quite a few that would have been much better in different context.

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        #53
        Originally posted by considerthis
        Not after floyd left arum anyway. It might have happened sooner if floyd stayed at toprank.
        i doubt it...mayweather had been calling out Oscar and Mosley since the late 90s and early 2000s

        ironically the fight didnt happen until both were free agents....at soon as it was possible to make

        Oscar was his golden goose and he was not gonna let a young pup who was high risk, low reward upset the applecart

        its no coincidence the fight happened less than a year after floyd left Arum

        it was not gonna happen...cotto or de la hoya

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          #54
          Originally posted by djtmal
          good thing we got floyd vs. oldsley at the time we got it...floyd might have ruined his career had they fought @ 135...
          you're trying waaaaaay too hard and failing miserably

          Mosley was chasing that big money

          Floyd won fighter of the year in 1998....floyd was at 130


          Mosley was at 135


          fighting ODLH was more lucrative fight than fighting a new young face with a belt in a lower division

          Mayweather had a better shot at beating Mosley at lightweight, than cotto had of beating mayweather anytime in their careers....cotto isnt as great a fighter as mayweather so the comparison is funny AF

          MOSLEY last defended his ibf belt in April of 1999 and was a welterweight by September

          by the time Mosley fought Oscar, Mayweather was still at 130

          man....i told you.....its clear you were not following boxing at that time...boxrec warrior

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            #55
            Originally posted by considerthis
            That fight wasn't being talked about much cuz by the time floyd went to 135, mosley was already at 147. Those are the exact type of fights fans want tho...guys at their absolute peak testing themselves against other top level fighters. Those are also the type of fights mayweather wasn't in much after 135. There weren't that many fights that he missed, but there were quite a few that would have been much better in different context.
            ko was pushing floyd vs shane @ 135, had a mag with both their mugs on it...

            give me two cats at their absolute peak getting down for the crown...where the outcome isn't so cut and dry...

            not a big fan of cats who just sukk floyd's balls off on every matchup where its a prime fighter involved, especially when the two fighters are from the same era, yet their paths didn't cross in their prime.....

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              #56
              In all honestly,Floyd retired in 2008(not sure if that was the year) Why did he retired? Finally he had soooo...many opponents at welter wgt;
              -Cotto
              -Margarito
              -Mosley
              -Judah

              I mean ...WTF? This is why & only why the critics will always be there about him. He retired when the welterwgt division was heating up. I mean that would be equavilent to Ali retiring when Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Shavers where all in the division. Same like Leonard retiring when Hearns, Benitez, Duran, Cuervas were in his division. Floyd is a great fighter...but the critics will always be there...it is what it is.

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                #57
                Originally posted by sugar ray lenrd
                In all honestly,Floyd retired in 2008(not sure if that was the year) Why did he retired? Finally he had soooo...many opponents at welter wgt;
                -Cotto
                -Margarito
                -Mosley
                -Judah

                I mean ...WTF? This is why & only why the critics will always be there about him. He retired when the welterwgt division was heating up. I mean that would be equavilent to Ali retiring when Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Shavers where all in the division. Same like Leonard retiring when Hearns, Benitez, Duran, Cuervas were in his division. Floyd is a great fighter...but the critics will always be there...it is what it is.

                exactly, and theirs no excuse, or spin doctor logic, that larry, thefakepugilist, dunn, etc. can come up with to ease the pain...lol...

                .thats what eats at these cats souls...i don't care how many floyd pump up threads you make, or how you try to spin floyd fantasy fights into atg wins, the real is, fights ain't happen when they should have happened...who cares who ducked who, and what the excuses are..if oscar, or sugar ray, or ali, the previous a-side cash cows, can have all those prime guys on their resumes win or lose, wtf was floyd's problem....

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by sugar ray lenrd
                  In all honestly,Floyd retired in 2008(not sure if that was the year) Why did he retired? Finally he had soooo...many opponents at welter wgt;
                  -Cotto
                  -Margarito
                  -Mosley
                  -Judah

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                  ...and please don't ask these forever floyd boys why he retired when the division heated up...they will give you excuses only a fellow floyd die-hard would roll with..

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by sugar ray lenrd
                    In all honestly,Floyd retired in 2008(not sure if that was the year) Why did he retired? Finally he had soooo...many opponents at welter wgt;
                    -Cotto
                    -Margarito
                    -Mosley
                    -Judah

                    I mean ...WTF? This is why & only why the critics will always be there about him. He retired when the welterwgt division was heating up. I mean that would be equavilent to Ali retiring when Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Shavers where all in the division. Same like Leonard retiring when Hearns, Benitez, Duran, Cuervas were in his division. Floyd is a great fighter...but the critics will always be there...it is what it is.
                    He fought and defeated Judah at WW before he retired.

                    Surely you know this, right?

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by djtmal
                      ...and please don't ask these forever floyd boys why he retired when the division heated up...they will give you excuses only a fellow floyd die-hard would roll with..
                      Floyd literally said once Merchant asked him about the Cotto fight, that he is retiring from boxing. That he would retire from boxing, and boxing wouldn't retire him. It was the most anticipated fight at the time, because Pacquiao wasn't moving up just yet on his tear.

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