Cotto was not going to be competitive with Mayweather at 140 during 2004-2006

[therealpugilist]

mayweather at 140 was at his absolute best, while cotto was a bit chinny and inexperienced at the time. not sure about getting a stoppage ( maybe cuts?) but floyd would have dished out some punishment at that point in time imo but cotto wouldve had his moments as well

the fight would have been much more competitive back in 2008, when floyd slowed down juuuust a little bit, and didnt carry his power as well at 147. meanwhile, cotto was stronger and sturdier at that weight, along with more experience against quality opposition. the mayweather coming off the hatton win vs the cotto coming off the mosley win would have been such a great matchup.

they were both still elite fighters when it finally happened in 2012, but both were well past it by then.

most definitely


around 2008 would have been the best time for this fight but imo the worst time would have been when Cotto was at 140....he was a good fighter there but he fought one way, going forward, like a mini trinidad....i agree both were past prime in the 2012 match

[therealpugilist]

I think Floyd would have won if they fought at 140. But to say it wouldn't have been competitive is nuts dude. Wtf is wrong with you.

Dude when they finally did fight. Cotto was WAY more shop worn and was just a shelf of his prime self than what the 35 year old Mayweather was compared to his prime self. And you saw how competitive that fight was.

I think a 140lbs fight it would have been competitive and would have had lots of back and forth action. Floyd was fast and skillful but Cotto had good speed too combined with his skill. But I think Floyd would have won in a very competitive fight.

To say it wouldn't have been competitive is nuts and is a type of claim only a fanboy would say.

You know Puglist, imo you show great knowledge and thought at times but then you also say ****** **** like this.

if you dont agree, cool.....saying it is ******....well is just an opinion, just like when i followed both back then, i saw a mismatch....cotto was not ready for that work....@ 147 when he filled out, was sturdier, had more experience it would have been more competitive but not at 140 IMO

reasons why i dont think it would have been competitive

1) The fight in 2012 had competitive rounds but Cotto was no where near winning....most everyone scored that fight ten rounds for mayweather two rounds for Cotto.....9-3 or 8-4 was being generous...the fight in 2012 wasnt competitive bro

2) both fighters temperment...at 140 floyd was more aggressive and still was faster, better reflexes threw more combinations than at 147 and up....cotto fought coming forward, high guard, didnt utilize his boxing skills as much as he did as he matured

3) Cotto's defense vs straight rights and uppercuts was not very good...also he was stunned n hurt by Torres, Corely and didnt fight a guy who could push him back, floyd would have mixed it up inside..cotto didnt fight well going back at 140

[daggum]

ok but how far away did cotto live? too far imo

[Real King Kong]

Certain fights happen at the right time, or at better time than when they were first possible to make. Mayweather and Cotto were on top rank promotions when both

Campaigned at 140 pounds. Cotto held the WBO belt and Mayweather won the WBC title from Arturo Gatti after this fight.


Many complain that this fight happened too late. When I saw this fight live and saw Cotto and his handlers reaction, it showed me all i needed to know. Had this fight happened in 2004-2005, I dont think Cotto would have become the fighter he is today or accomplished things that he went on to accomplish. Henry Brusles is Cotto's stablemate. Of course they were scouting Mayweather as a potential opponent.

He would have took a beating from this version of mayweather. Cotto would have got stopped....everyone mayweather fought from late 2003 to early 2006 he stopped or dropped multiple times(corely is the only one to go the distance).


This was a prime 27 year old mayweather....not a 35 year old version Cotto fought in 2012.

That was definitely floyd's peak and arum didn't wanna risk cotto yet...but let's not talk about fighters like brusseles, gatti, and corley as being reasons floyd would have "stopped" cotto. Those guys are C class fighters. Not that i believe cotto would have beat floyd, but it mighta been a good fight. Those are precisely the type of fights people want from guys with floyd's talent level. Not much point in talking about what would or could have happened...it didn't happen.

[therealpugilist]

That was definitely floyd's peak and arum didn't wanna risk cotto yet...but let's not talk about fighters like brusseles, gatti, and corley as being reasons floyd would have "stopped" cotto. Those guys are C class fighters. Not that i believe cotto would have beat floyd, but it mighta been a good fight. Those are precisely the type of fights people want from guys with floyd's talent level. Not much point in talking about what would or could have happened...it didn't happen.

the opponents were not the reason

i explained the reason.....floyd was in his prime....didnt just have that potshot temperment he had at 147 and as he got older.

he was harder to hit, quicker, had more power at 140 and below...was hard to hit and threw combos

i just showed the footage for those who never watched a prime mayweathe...nothing more or less

[Sweet Jones]

if you dont agree, cool.....saying it is ******....well is just an opinion, just like when i followed both back then, i saw a mismatch....cotto was not ready for that work....@ 147 when he filled out, was sturdier, had more experience it would have been more competitive but not at 140 IMO

reasons why i dont think it would have been competitive

1) The fight in 2012 had competitive rounds but Cotto was no where near winning....most everyone scored that fight ten rounds for mayweather two rounds for Cotto.....9-3 or 8-4 was being generous...the fight in 2012 wasnt competitive bro

2) both fighters temperment...at 140 floyd was more aggressive and still was faster, better reflexes threw more combinations than at 147 and up....cotto fought coming forward, high guard, didnt utilize his boxing skills as much as he did as he matured

3) Cotto's defense vs straight rights and uppercuts was not very good...also he was stunned n hurt by Torres, Corely and didnt fight a guy who could push him back, floyd would have mixed it up inside..cotto didnt fight well going back at 140

Exactly. There's a reason that the better (allegedly) puncher (Cotto) demanded the 10oz vs 8 ounce gloves when he fought Mayweather.

Again, Top Rank didn't want that Mayweather smoke for Cotto @ 140. It is what it is.

[Real King Kong]

the opponents were not the reason

i explained the reason.....floyd was in his prime....didnt just have that potshot temperment he had at 147 and as he got older.

he was harder to hit, quicker, had more power at 140 and below...was hard to hit and threw combos

i just showed the footage for those who never watched a prime mayweathe...nothing more or less

Fair enough. I don't understand the cotto angle then, if all you were trying to do is show footage of a prime floyd. People wanted that fight and didn't get it...it's ok that people were disappointed by that. They don't need to be convinced years later that the past their primes version of the fight they got was somehow better.

[therealpugilist]

Exactly. There's a reason that the better (allegedly) puncher (Cotto) demanded the 10oz vs 8 ounce gloves when he fought Mayweather.

Again, Top Rank didn't want that Mayweather smoke for Cotto @ 140. It is what it is.

He was gonna be the new cash cow...they were grooming him at the time


why would bob ruin him by putting him in with a prime all time great

when floyd was a free agent and cotto was with top rank, it was not going to happen...bob wasnt gonna give floyd the satisfaction of upsetting the applecart as long as he had cotto

ironically the fight happened as soon as he left top rank...no coincidence

[therealpugilist]

Fair enough. I don't understand the cotto angle then, if all you were trying to do is show footage of a prime floyd. People wanted that fight and didn't get it...it's ok that people were disappointed by that. They don't need to be convinced years later that the past their primes version of the fight they got was somehow better.

i wasnt disappointed because IMO around 2004-2006 cotto hadnt shown he was ready...by the time he beat Mosley in november 2007 and after Mayweather beat hatton wouldve been awesome but floyd retired after in december

honestly, i never saw the fight happening as long as cotto was with arum...wasnt his fight with mayweather his first as a free agent from top rank? that was no coincidence...

[djtmal]

Fair enough. I don't understand the cotto angle then, if all you were trying to do is show footage of a prime floyd. People wanted that fight and didn't get it...it's ok that people were disappointed by that. They don't need to be convinced years later that the past their primes version of the fight they got was somehow better.

good thing we got floyd vs. oldsley at the time we got it...floyd might have ruined his career had they fought @ 135...