Cotto was not going to be competitive with Mayweather at 140 during 2004-2006

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  • djtmal
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    #11
    Originally posted by bojangles1987
    2012 Cotto wasn't the past it Cotto who got beat up by Margarito or Pacquiao, either.

    To say Cotto wouldn't even be competitive with Mayweather at 140 is absurd. Cotto's not Arturo Gatti or any of the other fighters Mayweather beat at 140.
    Exactly the 140 version of Cotto would have done no better or no worse than Corley, who was the best guy Mayweather fought @ 140. No prime elite guys did Mayweather face @ 140. Gatti just established Floyd as a ppv attraction. Maybe Cotto gets outpointed, but it would have been some of the best experience he could have gained in a loss. I don't know what his team was so scared of.

    @ 147 after Mosely, Cotto was prime, undefeated and ready, but Floyd just had two knock down, drag out fights with Hatton and Oscar, and needed a two year vacation to regroup.
    Last edited by djtmal; 04-19-2017, 10:02 AM.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Fists_of_Fury
      Imo Cotto drained himself too much to make 140lbs. I always thought his chin was suspect at that weight. He surprised me once he moved to 147lbs. and took Mosley's punches. I think Floyd would've possibly T/KO'd him at 140lbs... I think Bob Arum thought the same lol. Older Floyd hurt 154lb. Cotto in the 12th but didn't try to follow up.
      Cotto definitely surprised me @ 147

      I picked Judah n Mosley to beat him

      He was @ his best @ 147

      He earned my respect

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        #13
        Originally posted by djtmal
        Exactly the 140 version of Cotto would have done no better or no worse than Corley, who was the best guy Mayweather fought @ 140. No prime elite guys did Mayweather face @ 140. Gatti just established Floyd as a ppv attraction. Maybe Cotto gets outpointed, but it would have been some of the best experience he could have gained in a loss. I don't know what his team was so scared of.

        @ 147 after Mosely, Cotto was prime, undefeated and ready, but Floyd just had two knock down, drag out fights with Hatton and Oscar, and needed a two year vacation to regroup.

        Corely got dropped twice landed less than 25% of his punches and lost 10-2 or 11-1 on most scorecards

        Cotto would've got stopped IMO

        Fight was better for him above 140 and Floyd slowing down

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        • iamboxing
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          #14
          Mayweather's hand problems caught up with him later in his career. I attribute the damage he sustained to his hands to HBO - their commentary team (Merchant & Lampley) were so critical and didn't appreciate his boxing skills and defensive wizardzry it made him look for KOs just to keep HBO happy.

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            #15
            These games are silly. You can't give somebody an imaginary win because of "what probably would happen."

            Floyd swerved a prime Cotto, and Margarito. So I refuse to give any sort of imaginary win.

            But I'll play along:

            Most likely Floyd's ability to position his body would render Margarito's offensive attacks obsolete, resulting in wasted energy on Margarito's part. It would have been a fairly easy win for Floyd, with maybe a few rounds given to Margarito simply for work-rate.

            Cotto, however, would have been a different animal with that sledgehammer jab, left hook from hell, and just overall ability to string together fast, accurate combinations. His work-rate stamina, and speed were also all much better than the version Floyd saw in 2011 (I think? or was it 2010/2012?). Still Floyd most likely wins a 8/4; 7/5 decision.

            However, with Margarito, I really don't know how to rate his power based on the scandal surrounding him.

            That's the one fight that could have been extremely easy for Floyd (as I broke down above), or could have been a nightmare, depending on how you view what was going on with Margarito at that time.

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            • therealpugilist
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              #16
              Originally posted by djtmal
              Exactly the 140 version of Cotto would have done no better or no worse than Corley, who was the best guy Mayweather fought @ 140. No prime elite guys did Mayweather face @ 140. Gatti just established Floyd as a ppv attraction. Maybe Cotto gets outpointed, but it would have been some of the best experience he could have gained in a loss. I don't know what his team was so scared of.

              @ 147 after Mosely, Cotto was prime, undefeated and ready, but Floyd just had two knock down, drag out fights with Hatton and Oscar, and needed a two year vacation to regroup.
              You don't know what they were afraid of because you don't know boxing as well as his team


              Who wants to fight a guy who lands 50+% of his shots while holding you to 20%.

              Also was stopping guys

              I know you don't like Floyd bu no one was jumping to fight him until he beat DLH years later

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              • hugh grant
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                #17
                F!oyd was a bully. When opponents were inferior like gatti he was all macho. When he upped his competition he started pott shoting and holding and looking ng to ref for help.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by ESAU
                  These games are silly. You can't give somebody an imaginary win because of "what probably would happen."

                  Floyd swerved a prime Cotto, and Margarito. So I refuse to give any sort of imaginary win.
                  why do people say this? it was cotto who didn want any part of floyd.. and

                  "Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million."

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                  • uppercut510
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                    #19
                    cotto would have never beat Floyd imo. Hes one of those many names who they say Floyd ducked in his prime. lol they used to spar all the time according to mayweather so while a fight with them will always be competitive because they know eachother well Floyd would always win at any weight.

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                    • BrometheusBob.
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                      #20
                      Probably true but he would have put up a much better fight than Bruseles did.

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