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Comments Thread For: Lara's Trainer: Canelo is Facing Chavez Jr. at 165, No GGG at 160?
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Originally posted by OctoberRed View PostI agree with him, but Canelo-Chavez Jr = $$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Originally posted by OnePunch View PostThis has been beaten to death, but you havent the slightest idea what other "conditions" were in that so-called $15 million offer.
And FYI, not everyone will simply bend over and drop their pants the second someone flashes a few pieces of silver at them. Maybe thats how YOU roll, but some people prefer to actually negotiate a better deal for themselves......
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Originally posted by Shadoww702 View PostWhat demands were "excessive" and were no longer "negotiating"???
But thats just my opinion. They are free to try and get more, and in this instance they were successful. It could just as easily torpedoed the fight.
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Smart move. Make the money and keep running because GGG will end the cash train within 8 rounds.
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Originally posted by Robi13 View Postyou right, my point is simple, there is an offer for 2,3,4 times the amount you have ever made and will ever make, you getting old, don't go calling Canelo no ducker when in fact the deal is on the table. I can say the same thing, you have by the slightest idea of the other terms either, but money wise we know. It's 3 times your highest pay day. If ggg don't sign it's a duck simple
But its NOT a clean deal. A rematch clause for Chavez PROVES its not a clean deal. And the fight is 9 months away at the earliest. Further negotiations at this moment are not delaying the fight by a single day.......
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There's zero reason to believe Canelo is facing Golovkin within the next two years. If ever.
-- Dropping a belt after talking crap
-- Making a flat offer followed by finger pointing
-- Not choosing opponents that would help prepare him for a fighter like GGG
This fight isn't happening.
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Originally posted by Red-Cyclone View PostIts all risk-reward isn't it?
Canelo has no problem making it to 160 and probably little problem making it to 168lbs yet he will fight at a catchweight of 164.5lbs against Chavez Jr.
Compare fight night weights to get a good grasp on it, there is literally no reason for Canelo to even remain at the weight he wants to be at (154lbs) because there is no big money fight in that division, he is being advised to do it because the threat at 160 is too great a blind man could see this but the 160lbs division has big money fights in it.
Chavez Jr is a guy who has had a long lay off, was beat badly by Fonfara and has had/shown lack of commitment to the training and the sport of boxing but is a Mexican big name because of his fathers legacy, its a risk to fight Chavez Jr but its nowhere near as big of a risk to fight Chavez that it is to fight GGG.
Whilst Oscar and Canelo adviser are to blame I still believe Canelo should be held accountable for his own actions there have been too many B.S. fights, too many catchweights If Canelo wants to fight GGG I honestly believe it could happen this May but he isn't forcing it like he did with Lara because he knows this one is a much greater threat than he has ever had to deal with in his professional career.
That's a sign of weakness especially when you take in all the factors which I've highlighted for you.- Used multiple catchweights (155lbs) as an excuse to not fight the guy we want him to fight
- Avoided going to full 160 limit
- His fight night weight is higher than GGG's (GGG: 170-172, Canelo: 172-176)
- He is bypassing 160 limit to fight at 164.5lbs
- He promised to make the GGG fight yet used excuses of weight being the issue yet willing to go to 164.5lbs for Chavez jr and weights more on fight night than GGG
- Says he needs time to grow into the 160 full limit yet here he is willing to surpass that limit of 160
Its at a point where you can't even defend him, sad because I use to really like this guy.
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Originally posted by Joe Beamish View PostThere's zero reason to believe Canelo is facing Golovkin within the next two years. If ever.
-- Dropping a belt after talking crap
-- Making a flat offer followed by finger pointing
-- Not choosing opponents that would help prepare him for a fighter like GGG
This fight isn't happening.
Every other day Oscar says some ****** crap making Loeffler look like a clown, and all Loeffler says is "derp derp derp I have a great relationship derp derp derp".
Its annoying as hell..............
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