Best Welterweight Ever?

[K-DOGG]

Hell of a post damn right poetic......seriously, your closing comment sounded like a sober Larry Merchant. I'll give you some K-when it lets me give some again.

Ha Ha! Thank you.

[blockhead]

ali copied srr's style, so if you havent seen him fight, imagine a faster and more agile and p4p more power and you have srr. oh and take out all the **** talking. srr was a great sportsman as well as a great boxer.

[ROSEWOOD]

ali copied srr's style, so if you havent seen him fight, imagine a faster and more agile and p4p more power and you have srr. oh and take out all the **** talking. srr was a great sportsman as well as a great boxer.

Ali was a great sportman...he just brought light to the sport....until Joe Patterson and who was Terrell???wouldnt say his name...then it got personal and he straight killed people...

[Yogi]

the question everyone on this thread is asking is have you seen any footage of sugar ray rob??

I don't know why you feel the need to ask that, because it's not like footage of Robinson isn't out there in abundance or frequently shown on ESPN...Footage of Robinson at 147 is rare (like I said earlier, two fights that I know of), but there is footage still around of at least a dozen of his fights before his initial retirement in '52 (and at least that much from after he came back a couple years later).

This guy ain't no secret, you know.

[K-DOGG]

ali copied srr's style, so if you havent seen him fight, imagine a faster and more agile and p4p more power and you have srr. oh and take out all the **** talking. srr was a great sportsman as well as a great boxer.

Don't forget a helluva business man. He threatened to pull out of the second Basilio fight a week or so before the date unless he got more money. They took the money out of Basilio's purse. Carman hated his ass..and with good reason; but Ray knew what he was worth. Shrewd S.O.B.

[ROSEWOOD]

I don't know why you feel the need to ask that, because it's not like footage of Robinson isn't out there in abundance or frequently shown on ESPN...Footage of Robinson at 147 is rare (like I said earlier, two fights that I know of), but there is footage still around of at least a dozen of his fights before his initial retirement in '52 (and at least that much from after he came back a couple years later).

This guy ain't no secret, you know.

you are correct...but some folks are just saying that because of his record....but footage is on espn classic daily...i just asked because people asked me...no harm intended playa..

[K-DOGG]

For the record, I've got several tapes of Robinson footage at home.

[ROSEWOOD]

Have they published his legacy tape???

[machotime]

The man speaks truth. For a fighter to rise to that next level, he needs a great performance against a great opponent.

Ali had Frazier
Robinson had Gavilin, Lamotta, Turpin, Fulmer, Basilio,....and Father Time
Leonard had Hearns, Duran, Hagler, and Benitez
Louis had Schmeling, Conn, Walcott, and WWII
Saddler had Pepp
Zale had Graziano
Sanchez had Gomez and Nelson

Being a great fighter is one thing; but to be an all time great, to step into Val Halla, a fighter must either have a great opponent to showcase his skills against or dominate so thoroghly and without question that his admittance can't be denied. And...the second path is much more difficult than the first.

Tito had Carr, Campas, Camacho, De La Hoya, Vargas, Hopkins, & Wright. Carr & Campas, were top ten fighters; but they weren't the best. Camacho was long past his best and had already been brutalized by Chavez. De La Hoya and Quartey were Tito's anchormen at welterweight. They were the triad. De La Hoya and Quartey fought a pitched battle that showed the best in both men and ultimately pushed De La Hoya higher. Trinidad-De La Hoya was supposed to do that; but ended up having the opposite effect. Trinidad came out looking limited and De La Hoya came out looking more like a media creation wanting to play it safe than a died in the wool fighter.

That fight hurt both men; and both will pay the consequenses of that blown-up show-down historically, IMO.

When your moment comes to shine, you gotta take it, cause you may never get another chance. The gates to Val Halla are guarded by the gods of boxing and only the worthy will enter.

Good post but the ones in bold are future hall of famers, Tito also had Whitaker, and Vargas, he was the first to KO joppy, The first to beat Vargas, arguably has the best left hook in Welterweight history and captured titles in 3 different weight classes with over 20 title defenses. And by the way, Tito's resume is better than Hearns' at welterweight....by a long shot..

Tito did great things, that is why he will be a great Hall of Famer, and will be remembered for many many years.

[machotime]

I don't know why you feel the need to ask that, because it's not like footage of Robinson isn't out there in abundance or frequently shown on ESPN...Footage of Robinson at 147 is rare (like I said earlier, two fights that I know of), but there is footage still around of at least a dozen of his fights before his initial retirement in '52 (and at least that much from after he came back a couple years later).

This guy ain't no secret, you know.

Yogi, where the hell have you been? I haven't seen you post in a while.