Best Welterweight Ever?

[dino]

Whats up everyone. I'm new to the boards, wondering who you guys thought the best Welterweight Was Ever?

My pick is Felix "Tito" Trinidad. I don't think he gets the respect he deserves, shadowed by the gleam of Leonard & Del La Hoya.

de la hoya beat trinidad...but my choice is thomas hearns

[ROSEWOOD]

de la hoya beat trinidad...but my choice is thomas hearns

nope wrong answer...Tito won...and Thomas Hearns was a great fighter but was nowhere near the top of the food chain.....suger ate his ass up...

[cple]

You must be kidding me. The man dominated the division for years without losing. One of the hardest punchers in the history of that division, only Hearns is ahead of him, when it comes to power.

No, i am not kidding you. Sure, he had the dominance, longevity, and accomplishments at welterweight, but he lacks in the level of opposition department--the most important factor in my opinion. Awesome puncher, great welterweight, but not top 10.

[machotime]

Tito is way underrated, if he was Mexican, he would've been overrated like Chavez.

I think people remember Tito in the wrong way, his loss to B-hop, His loss to Winky and his "win" against DLH.

People don't remember the Boxer-puncher that dominated every opponent that stepped into the ring with him.

In the latter part of his career, he became KO happy and he lost his ability to box and jab the way he used to. When he fought Camacho, he outboxed and closed in a master boxer. Tito was versatile, quick and powerful at welterweight.

The people that say Tito was overrated are probably recent boxing fans and should talk to Whitaker, Camacho, Campas, Vargas, Carr etc..etc.

Tito never ever ducked anyone, hell he even offered DLH a rematch 6 times over a 2 year span, and DLH never accepted. I wonder why?

[machotime]

de la hoya beat trinidad...but my choice is thomas hearns

Thomas Hearns' record is lackluster at 147, who did he beat?

Tito beat Carr, Campas, Camacho, Blocker, Whitaker, Pineda, DLH

He beat all of the above at 147.

[ROSEWOOD]

I think people remember Tito in the wrong way, his loss to B-hop, His loss to Winky and his "win" against DLH.

People don't remember the Boxer-puncher that dominated every opponent that stepped into the ring with him.

In the latter part of his career, he became KO happy and he lost his ability to box and jab the way he used to. When he fought Camacho, he outboxed and closed in a master boxer. Tito was versatile, quick and powerful at welterweight.

The people that say Tito was overrated are probably recent boxing fans and should talk to Whitaker, Camacho, Campas, Vargas, Carr etc..etc.

Tito never ever ducked anyone, hell he even offered DLH a rematch 6 times over a 2 year span, and DLH never accepted. I wonder why?

Great point playa...great point..

[K-DOGG]

No, i am not kidding you. Sure, he had the dominance, longevity, and accomplishments at welterweight, but he lacks in the level of opposition department--the most important factor in my opinion. Awesome puncher, great welterweight, but not top 10.

The man speaks truth. For a fighter to rise to that next level, he needs a great performance against a great opponent.

Ali had Frazier
Robinson had Gavilin, Lamotta, Turpin, Fulmer, Basilio,....and Father Time
Leonard had Hearns, Duran, Hagler, and Benitez
Louis had Schmeling, Conn, Walcott, and WWII
Saddler had Pepp
Zale had Graziano
Sanchez had Gomez and Nelson

Being a great fighter is one thing; but to be an all time great, to step into Val Halla, a fighter must either have a great opponent to showcase his skills against or dominate so thoroghly and without question that his admittance can't be denied. And...the second path is much more difficult than the first.

Tito had Carr, Campas, Camacho, De La Hoya, Vargas, Hopkins, & Wright. Carr & Campas, were top ten fighters; but they weren't the best. Camacho was long past his best and had already been brutalized by Chavez. De La Hoya and Quartey were Tito's anchormen at welterweight. They were the triad. De La Hoya and Quartey fought a pitched battle that showed the best in both men and ultimately pushed De La Hoya higher. Trinidad-De La Hoya was supposed to do that; but ended up having the opposite effect. Trinidad came out looking limited and De La Hoya came out looking more like a media creation wanting to play it safe than a died in the wool fighter.

That fight hurt both men; and both will pay the consequenses of that blown-up show-down historically, IMO.

When your moment comes to shine, you gotta take it, cause you may never get another chance. The gates to Val Halla are guarded by the gods of boxing and only the worthy will enter.

[boxer2k5]

sugar ray roberson easy
i mean 90+ wins

[Left2body]

The man speaks truth. For a fighter to rise to that next level, he needs a great performance against a great opponent.

Ali had Frazier
Robinson had Gavilin, Lamotta, Turpin, Fulmer, Basilio,....and Father Time
Leonard had Hearns, Duran, Hagler, and Benitez
Louis had Schmeling, Conn, Walcott, and WWII
Saddler had Pepp
Zale had Graziano
Sanchez had Gomez and Nelson

Being a great fighter is one thing; but to be an all time great, to step into Val Halla, a fighter must either have a great opponent to showcase his skills against or dominate so thoroghly and without question that his admittance can't be denied. And...the second path is much more difficult than the first.

Tito had Carr, Campas, Camacho, De La Hoya, Vargas, Hopkins, & Wright. Carr & Campas, were top ten fighters; but they weren't the best. Camacho was long past his best and had already been brutalized by Chavez. De La Hoya and Quartey were Tito's anchormen at welterweight. They were the triad. De La Hoya and Quartey fought a pitched battle that showed the best in both men and ultimately pushed De La Hoya higher. Trinidad-De La Hoya was supposed to do that; but ended up having the opposite effect. Trinidad came out looking limited and De La Hoya came out looking more like a media creation wanting to play it safe than a died in the wool fighter.

That fight hurt both men; and both will pay the consequenses of that blown-up show-down historically, IMO.

When your moment comes to shine, you gotta take it, cause you may never get another chance. The gates to Val Halla are guarded by the gods of boxing and only the worthy will enter.

Hell of a post damn right poetic......seriously, your closing comment sounded like a sober Larry Merchant. I'll give you some K-when it lets me give some again.

[ROSEWOOD]

sugar ray roberson easy
i mean 90+ wins

the question everyone on this thread is asking is have you seen any footage of sugar ray rob??