Best Welterweight Ever?

[wmute]

Ray Robinson is a great. I'm not denying that but he lost 19 times...

you can check his record until he retired the 1st time, he never lost fighting a welterweight (avenging his only loss to a middleweight FIVE times), he was never stopped except when fighting the 175 world champion and that was because ofthe heat in a fight he was otherwise dominating.

most of the losses you are talking about come after he was 40, fighting with visible signs of brain damage

so its oviously possible Tito could knock him out. yes? No? We'll probably never know.

no its not obvious at all since robinson was never stopped by his opponent

But Hearns Right hands, when you talking about power?? How bout Tito's Right Hand and Left Hook?? I acually think that would be a great fight right there. But Tito was more conditioned then Hearns. Hearns would loose focus and get tired here and there. Tito would capitalize on that

1. hearns would outbox tito even without his right hand winning a decision

2. hearns used to put people to sleep with ONE punch, tito rarely did so.

3. Tito is conditioned for 12 rounders, hearns ran out of steam in a 15 rounder...

and Leonard was to small and didn't have enough power. Leonard lost alot of rounds, and if you lost a round to TITO, with the power hit percentage he had...Leonard would be out.

Leonard too small to fight tito... ask hagler, ask hearns (both bigger and stronger than tito)... look at leonard belts at 160,168 and 175

Leonard lost a lot of rounds? to who? hearns, hagler, duran? based on that you are suggesting he would lose rounds to tito? Hearns outboxed leonard for a fight adn could not put him out, and you think tito would?

[GunStar]

I'm a huge Tito fan, but he's not in the top 10. MAYBE top 15. I'd probably say De La Hoya is even further down the list.

You must be kidding me. The man dominated the division for years without losing. One of the hardest punchers in the history of that division, only Hearns is ahead of him, when it comes to power.

[machotime]

SRR was the best Welterweight

These were also great welterweights.

Tito
JCC
SRL
DLH
Mosely
Hearns

[GunStar]

One thing I want to add about 2 sugar rays.

Leonard - Way underrated power - Better KO ratio then Robinson

Robinson - A little overrated power

The reason I consider Robinson the greatest boxer of all time is, because of his 96 straight wins. That is crazy, even he was beating on bunch of slow white guys.

[ROSEWOOD]

it doesnt have a name, it is a bootleg collection that my friend found for me on ebay. i wish i could find another copy.
you should really try to find some of the other robinson fights that are out there like the fulmer fights and the randy turpin fights. robinson loses to turpin but turpin has the weirdest style i have ever seen

i will check it out..thanks playa

[Rane-Ex54]

WMUTE - You make good points. But that's the dilemmia, leonard, hearns, hagler, duran...were all greats and tested eachother. Had incredable fights that you can now reference. Tito, as a welterweight, never had that. He destroyed the best around at the time. The only one that tested him was Oscar, and that was flat out a dissapointing fight. Unfortuntly, Tito didn't have enought legendary fighters around in his era. But maybe he was just that much better then the rest. That's my point and judging from the fights I saw, Tito would be brawling with all those dude and most likly be winning, if he was thrown back in that era.

[machotime]

You must be kidding me. The man dominated the division for years without losing. One of the hardest punchers in the history of that division, only Hearns is ahead of him, when it comes to power.

Yep I agree, one of the most powerful welters ever. Not to mention the best left hook at 147 ever.

[ROSEWOOD]

K-Dogg, You have some good views, but Felix never dodged a fight and he was public about wanting a Hopkins re-match. Tito was always known as taking on the best fighters, I think it never happened because of shady boxing politics.

He never dodged a fight....he took on the best at WW and beat the crap out of all of them....you guys know that say why deny it

[GunStar]

Yep I agree, one of the most powerful welters ever. Not to mention the best left hook at 147 ever.

Tito is way underrated, if he was Mexican, he would've been overrated like Chavez.

[ROSEWOOD]

Tito is way underrated, if he was Mexican, he would've been overrated like Chavez.

playa you wild...but he is underrated...all due to the loses to wink and B Hop...